Harry has a lot to answer for.

[Corcory]

I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

Now you have upset her

@Samcro

Jenala are you new or something? I ask as mn has been a hotbed of hate for meghan for ever. At one time people even trolled mn to spew their hate. So ffs don't re write history.

Really I just thought it was since the interview. I obviously need to go back and read some old threads. That will be something yo do.

I obviously need to go back and read some old threads

Do you have a year of your life to set aside to read the hundreds and hundreds of threads?!

If not, suggest you don't look!

I think you must be joking lol

A lot were deleted due to being vile and full of trolls

Yes but it still leaves about 200 in a one year period lol

This is exactly what I mean. Any critical posts are "hate". Not all criticism or negativity about a person is hate or hateful. That language is used to shut down criticism.

So yeah I've seen some other dissenters but they are soon drowned out by reams of posts like yours.

@Roussette

It's such a relief to read a thread about H&M that's not all fawning, poor Meghan etc. I was beginning to think I was the only one who isn't a fan of her.

You must be new to MN.
There's been years of being polite non fawning threads about MM.

I see a divorce in a few years and Meghan cashing in by having lots of tearful interviews implying he is racist and abusive. That's my prediction

Lots of predictions of that. Unpleasant given that this is a couple who are in love and are expecting a second child.

It's not unpleasant, as I don't hope that's what will happen or want it to, which would of course be unpleasant. It's just what I think is quite likely to happen. People can be in love and have babies and also not be in a good relationship, or good for each other.

Any critical posts are "hate". Not all criticism or negativity about a person is hate or hateful. That language is used to shut down criticism

No no no.

Unless you know the threads of old, you have absolutely no idea.

Not discussion. Not abiding by Talk Guidelines. Hundreds and hundreds of deleted posts. Ditto a lot of deleted threads. And there is a reason for that.
Disgusting awful nasty posts. So, sorry to tell you, but they were beyond hateful.

Not one person on MN has been criticised like this before and I've been here about 17 years. Not a celebrity, a famous person, anyone.
So please don't say it's about shutting down criticism.

It maybe shutting down hate speech but that's it.

@Jenala

This is exactly what I mean. Any critical posts are "hate". Not all criticism or negativity about a person is hate or hateful. That language is used to shut down criticism.

So yeah I've seen some other dissenters but they are soon drowned out by reams of posts like yours.

Oh so you have seen the threads. So why pretend otherwise?

So yeah I've seen some other dissenters but they are soon drowned out by reams of posts like yours

Completely the reverse.

There is a reason MN put a moratorium on posts about Meghan. Maybe 3 months or more without posts about either of them.

That is because they did not have the manpower to moderate the hateful posts.

Let’s not let this escalate please.

I agree Diptyque but no one should rewrite history.

I do remember some trolls now it's been mentioned, think they moved elsewhere.

This thread has been mainly discussion so hope it stays that way (aside from when they'll split, even if you don't like them you'd hope the marriage would work out)

I don’t know why people keep predicting a divorce. They seem to be doing just fine.

Nor me!

I think there are people out there who don't want to see them happy. They need to show them by living their best life.

All the photos ive seen of them, they look really happy together

@Samcro

All the photos ive seen of them, they look really happy together

I disagree but equally I don’t think HMQ and PP look happy together as a married couple when out in public, so I don’t think you can put any weight on public sightings especially considering the strangeness of the last year.

Many marriages do end in divorce and statistically more if your own parents divorced, which both Harry and Meghan’s parents did, but they have a child and soon another one, so hopefully they are happy and will remain together.

Again, predicting something isn't the same thing as hoping for it. I predicted brexit would happen but didn't bloody hope for it. If those two things are going to be continually conflated then of course no discussion can be had

I also didn't pretend anything, I haven't seen lots of posts on here. I meant more generally that my social media bubble and (anonymous and I thought quite varied) twitter has been largely positive when as I said she comes across disingenuous to me, so I was interested in seeing more nuanced discussion and having rtft almost entirely respectful discussion at that.

So far I'm hearing that

1. Having a personal sense that someone isn't authentic is hateful.
2. Thinking something bad might happen is the same as hoping it will happen
3. There have been trolls therefore expressing a negative opinion is akin to being a troll and therefore is terribly bad taste and how could you

That other threads may have had hateful trolls doesn't mean only positivity is allowed. When a subject is only allowed one viewpoint and anyone saying other is dismissed as the worst type of person, something isn't right.

That other threads may have had hateful trolls doesn't mean only positivity is allowed. When a subject is only allowed one viewpoint and anyone saying other is dismissed as the worst type of person, something isn't right.
So right , but read your own posts.
Rtfft
This is a thread full of negativity.

I'd like it to stay positive. No speculation just trying to interpret the situation in a wider sense (is that the same thing..?)

But nothing about when their marriage is going to end. I found it quite interesting hearing about certain points on established protocol like security and titles. So I'm grateful for that. This will probably be pulled now anyway.

@Lauren15

I don’t know why people keep predicting a divorce. They seem to be doing just fine.

Both children of divorced parents. Second marriages are more likely to fail. Statistically it's not looking good.

Then look at them.
They seem to have gone no or low contact with lots of family and friends.

Do they lack the ability to have 'give and take' in a relationship? Is that what will push them apart?

There is also a bit of me thinks friends have walked away as they don't trust them.

@Samcro

That other threads may have had hateful trolls doesn't mean only positivity is allowed. When a subject is only allowed one viewpoint and anyone saying other is dismissed as the worst type of person, something isn't right. So right , but read your own posts. Rtfft This is a thread full of negativity.

Pish

Many many threads were deleted because of (realistic) comments that current events are bearing out.

LittleBear
I only started looking at these threads once they moved to Canada. All I remember is predictions of alienating themselves from the RF and that the end game was California; people were correct.

The most prestigious part no less. Millionaires enclave.

I think they are well suited and are loving parents. There is a co-dependence there that wouldn't do for me but they seem very much in love so, if it works for them - hopefully a long and happy marriage.

They seem very much in love to me too, but cynical old bags like me know that marriages take a lot more than being "in love." Marriage is hard work. They both come from families with a ton of divorce and dysfunction, it's Meghan's second marriage, it's an international marriage, and there is a lack of emotional support from extended family---just one person really (Doria). I don't think it's mean to point out that these things greatly increase the odds of things going tits-up. And that's not a reason not to try and get a marriage to work anyway, because what is life without risk? But it does seem a bit concerning when you add the fact that H has placed every egg he has in Meghan's basket.