Harry has a lot to answer for.

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I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

Sometimes I wonder if MH truly is at ease with herself. She seems disingenuous, borderline fake and trying to hard. It might be she has underlying emotional issues that weren’t addressed, no wonder the is isolated from her family on both sides of the Atlantic. It’s sad really because PH may not be aware of what is going on and therefore enabling MH rather than pushing her to confront her own problems. Maybe motherhood will help her face her own demons. Actually both of them need to do some soul searching.

No way would Megs be content to amicably drift apart while staying technically married a-la-Sarah Ferguson.

I think her track record shows pretty clearly that she does not have the kind of personality that is OK with just tactfully and politely establishing low-contact rules with the people she no longer gets on with.

If the shine wears off the relationship, it'll be a big splashy divorce, lots of "tell-all" revalations and scandalous stories about Harry being shared with media outlets, and then onto a new marriage with a tech billionaire.

I don't think she's exactly a schemer and I do not think she plans stuff like this in advance (I have no doubt she genuinely loves Harry and honestly thinks this'll be forever), but I do think she has a tendency to fall out with people easily and burn bridges publically.

The first few years of married life should have been blissfully happy. They should be enjoying their baby and looking forward to the new one. M should be trying hard to get along with Harry’s family. Instead, from the off all it’s been is controversy and disaffection. I don’t think she has been happy from the minute she agreed to marry him. I suspect she knew it wasn’t what she expected from before they every got married. Once she gave up her job and moved to Britain, she was in a gilded cage with her hands tied. Anyone with half a brain would have anticipated the restrictions and realised that duty and responsibility would be the modus operandi. Instead she thought she’d be living the life of a Disney Princess with designer clothes paid for by the British public she very quickly came to despise.

Look at how differently MM handled public service compared to Michelle Obama.

preparation I am genuinely interested to know how you think they are doing to raise the amount of income they require to sustain a huge security 247 staff, a team and office, PR, household staff, a multi million pound house and grounds, children and all the needs they will soon require in terms of education and extra security, the pressures of the A lister life style in terms of cars, private jets and lavish events (when covid eases) Not to mention Meghan's fondness for the finest pieces of fashion available on the planet. How on earth do you think H&M are going to raise tens of millions per annum?

They have sold their most valuable asset to Oprah - their connection with the RF was the ONLY reliable money spinner and income source and it has now gone. For good.

Meghan is pushing forty, she is not some young starlet or incredible world call talent ready and waiting for the offers to pour in. She is a middle aged mum of soon to be two children, and will have to look at more mature roles if that is where there income source is headed. I believe she has already been turned down by Disney. Either way it is not going to make anything like the money needed.

So I am just wondering once the podcasts dry up and everyone gets sick of hearing about Harry's childhood what then? Because as far as I can see neither have any real talent or ability to make the kind of money they are used to taking from the RF and British tax payer?

Harry really is clueless as to how the real life works and will become a dead weight. As this point Meghan may reassess whether there is still use for him. The pressure on their marriage won't be from the media, it will be from Meghan when she sees the lifestyle she hankered for (The Clooneys) evaporate and cold hard reality will sink in.

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Personally, I'm not in to comparing one woman with another. That's what the press do, for instance, with Katherine and Meghan continually.

How on earth can anyone say she hasn't been happy since she got engaged? They seem happy and in love to me. No idea where anyone could get that from .

I do think it is very wrong to keep talking about their divorce. I can't imagine what it would be like to be expecting a second child with my DH and have all this unpleasant speculation about us getting divorced.
There's obviously posters desperate for this to happen;. If not, why keep talking about it ?

When I first came on these threads there was a lot of .... I'll give it a year, then it was I'll give it two years... now it's five I expect, and no doubt it'll be ten soon. Laughable really.. just wishing something would happen doesn't mean it will.

itsalonghaul I really wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure they'll manage.

@Itsalonghaul

preparation I am genuinely interested to know how you think they are doing to raise the amount of income they require to sustain a huge security 247 staff, a team and office, PR, household staff, a multi million pound house and grounds, children and all the needs they will soon require in terms of education and extra security, the pressures of the A lister life style in terms of cars, private jets and lavish events (when covid eases) Not to mention Meghan's fondness for the finest pieces of fashion available on the planet. How on earth do you think H&M are going to raise tens of millions per annum?

They have sold their most valuable asset to Oprah - their connection with the RF was the ONLY reliable money spinner and income source and it has now gone. For good.

Meghan is pushing forty, she is not some young starlet or incredible world call talent ready and waiting for the offers to pour in. She is a middle aged mum of soon to be two children, and will have to look at more mature roles if that is where there income source is headed. I believe she has already been turned down by Disney. Either way it is not going to make anything like the money needed.

So I am just wondering once the podcasts dry up and everyone gets sick of hearing about Harry's childhood what then? Because as far as I can see neither have any real talent or ability to make the kind of money they are used to taking from the RF and British tax payer?

Harry really is clueless as to how the real life works and will become a dead weight. As this point Meghan may reassess whether there is still use for him. The pressure on their marriage won't be from the media, it will be from Meghan when she sees the lifestyle she hankered for (The Clooneys) evaporate and cold hard reality will sink in.

This is so transactional. If this assessment is correct, the reason the talks so far have been unproductive would thus be because PC hasn’t coughed up yet more millions.... but that flies in the face of their wish for independence.

@Mummyoflittledragon
My point is that they will grow and develop - you may be finished at 40 but I don't see that happening for Meghan and wishing they would fall on their knees and beg for forgiveness from the UK haters will not make it happen. They will grow and develop more ideas and think of new ventures. They have social capital and strong networks (As we know from many on MN threads it's not always just education and talent - but social capital goes a long way) and you choose to focus on the ones that they don't get along with and right now you do not know everything they have between them and are setting up for their children's future (I also thought they were not paid for the Oprah Interview). My guess is that they will be fine and even if divorce does come which I really hope not - financially each of them will be fine and their children too. So let's mark the calendar and maybe look at this again in 2, 5, or 10 years - you decide ! But all this speculation that they will be broke soon and neither of them have any way of making money after the interviews just smacks of pure envy and jealousy. I am not going to list how I think they will sustain their lives - but I do think it would be wise for you to stop wasting all this negative energy on them and use it to better your own lives spiritually and financially. Nobody and especially they are not asking you to like them and they nor the Royal family even know you exist. They will all including the RF be just fine.

@fafadebelem

Look at how differently MM handled public service compared to Michelle Obama.

sure - could you not think of anyone else to compare her to or are you trying to cover the racism element? Have you read Michelle's book, podcasts and interviews and what she also went through - she was also married to another African American - not the Queen of England's grandson!

She didn't understand how strict protocol is obviously, as she was surprised that she had to curtsy to the Q even in private. How would she feel learning that she would never, ever get to go through a door in front of Kate?
They didn't give it enough time before marriage. As others have said, Harry was afraid she would cry off.

They won't be broke soon, they are going from strength to strength in the US, surrounding themselves with a powerful and well connected network. The US have always wanted their own royal family and now they have one. H&M will always be successful and well connected y to heir future has never been brighter.

Whether their marriage lasts is another story, I feel she is a narcissist and the scrutiny & drama they are welcoming into their lives would put a strain on any marriage. She doesn't value family and I believe he will grow to resent her for driving a wedge between him and his family for her own gain and to improve her image. A divorce would never be amicable.

@PreparationPreparationPrep

Absolutely agree with your post. I've said it before... I think we will look back in many years time and actually think... they did the right thing. It's working for them. They have made a good go of this and they're happy.

@GoLightlyontheEarth

The first few years of married life should have been blissfully happy. They should be enjoying their baby and looking forward to the new one. M should be trying hard to get along with Harry’s family. Instead, from the off all it’s been is controversy and disaffection. I don’t think she has been happy from the minute she agreed to marry him. I suspect she knew it wasn’t what she expected from before they every got married. Once she gave up her job and moved to Britain, she was in a gilded cage with her hands tied. Anyone with half a brain would have anticipated the restrictions and realised that duty and responsibility would be the modus operandi. Instead she thought she’d be living the life of a Disney Princess with designer clothes paid for by the British public she very quickly came to despise.

Meghan doesn't like to be held to account. Because of her role, public and institutional role, paid by us, and because of the ways of the people of this country, she of course got scrutiny or at least was being watched. She did not like it, it is much easier in America and without a role requiring consistency and commitment, better a role that she can mould as she pleases and where she is not held accountable. She is very spoilt and like all spoilt children they struggle with environments where high accountability is expected of them. She probably duped herself to believe she could change the RF system and gain a place she likes but for good or bad, that was not going to happen, she failed, got disappointed, decided to retreat and dragged Harry in the process, once again without thinking of the consequences for him.

Happy people don't waste their time attacking other people.

I think Meghan will be fine. I have my doubts about Harry.

[quote Roussette]@PreparationPreparationPrep

Absolutely agree with your post. I've said it before... I think we will look back in many years time and actually think... they did the right thing. It's working for them. They have made a good go of this and they're happy.[/quote]
Let’s hope so. I’m not so sure as Harry has given up a lot, but yes I hope they make it work.

preparation You have just nailed the reason why they don't have a hope of raising the kind of money they need to. A good network won't pay the bills. They need a steady, reliable income of tens of millions not some two bit part in a sitcom. The fact that you want them to be happy and rich, does not make it so.
I have a very happy life, and one that is materially very comfortable. I have no wish to see them fail at all. But fail they will. Because when you attack others, when your brand turns toxic and you have turned everyone against you that loves and supports you - that is generally described as self sabotage. They could have had it all. But choose to destroy it.

Their choice, they have to live with the consequences.
Regardless Meghan is a survivor, I see that in her she will make it out of the quagmire in one piece, Harry not so much. Lets hope his family forgive him when the time comes. So pointless. They had it all, and lost it.

Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

Exactly I’m glad you have noticed the difference between W&K and H&M. You have answered your own question OP.

The idea that H&M are going to be the new American RF is quite frankly ridiculous!!! I wonder if the hard working American electorate will be happy to foot there multi million bills?!

Queen of England There's no such person.

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