Harry has a lot to answer for.

[Corcory]

I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

Roussette* - I asked for evidence of William’s alleged racism. The stuff about Meghan walking in front of Harry - well that’s for the royalists. Or stealing Eugenie’s thunder or some such stuff I’m not bothered. And to be honest it wouldn’t have bothered me if my cousin said his wife was pregnant at my wedding. I’d have been delighted for them. But that’s me.

I am bothered about people making allegations of racism without backing it up. I couldn’t find anything on google. So I asked rose as she appears to know. And if our future King is racist then yes I want to know about it.

Sorry I’ve gone off on a bit of a rant

@Corcory

Too true lamdobby63 - I definitely got the impression Megan had no idea as to where she and Harry place was within the monarchy. What on earth was he thinking not to discuss all these things?

Because he wanted to get married and have kids - like his brother and had already lost two prospective brides, Cressida and Chelsy to just this problem - being wife of the spare is all duty and little position - with no chance of promotion!

@SoulofanAggron

Totally disagree about how normal it is to ask how dark a child's skin might be. Even coached in the terms of 'I wonder if the baby will take after you or Meghan'
Pretty obvious what is being said there!

My DD has a DP, the family are from Pakistan. If she was pregnant (fingers crossed, I live in hope!) I would not dream of saying this in a million years. It's a racist insulting question. Personally I think they will have beautiful babies because he is handsome and she is beautiful to me lol, but to speculate on that with them is beyond the pale.

What does it matter? It's two people happily having a baby together, that's it, so I am not surprised M&H are pissed off with this RF attitude. I imagine it was a warning... look... your baby might be brown, you better be prepared for that.
Anyone who thinks that is OK needs to question themselves.

I thought “ beyond the pale” was now considered an unacceptable expression?

@ImAncient

Roussette* - I asked for evidence of William’s alleged racism. The stuff about Meghan walking in front of Harry - well that’s for the royalists. Or stealing Eugenie’s thunder or some such stuff I’m not bothered. And to be honest it wouldn’t have bothered me if my cousin said his wife was pregnant at my wedding. I’d have been delighted for them. But that’s me.

I am bothered about people making allegations of racism without backing it up. I couldn’t find anything on google. So I asked rose as she appears to know. And if our future King is racist then yes I want to know about it.

Sorry I’ve gone off on a bit of a rant

I would like to that evidence too.

Ahhhh got me there!

I apologise profusely. I typed quickly but that's no excuse.

Let me rephrase that...

'Personally I think they will have beautiful babies because he is handsome and she is beautiful to me lol, but to speculate on that with them is really not good'

I hope you accept my apology

@Roussette

Awful overnight posts. With absolute nonsense being talked. Meghan walked in front of someone, she announced the baby to the whole of Eugenie's wedding party, she did this she did that.

The walking in front of nonsense... there's loads of footage out there of the DM trying to besmirch MM with stuff like this. You look at it closely and it is just a nothingburger. Slanted to look awful in their campaign to paint her in the worst way possible.

Yet you demand of @rosetylersbiggun evidence of something. Of course you would. That's what you do all the time. I've had this. When I provide evidence of anything I have said, no one replies. You all disappear.

She's transparent
She's self serving
She wanted to be centre stage
She's a narcissist
She's a social climber

Where's your evidence for that then?

What she says and what she does.

Ahhhh right!

So your opinion as opposed to fact that other people have to provide by the way of links.

@Midlifemusings

My take is that Harry was a bit in awe of Meghan. Maybe she reminded him of his mother, maybe just her confidence, assertiveness, career success and caring characteristics made him swoon. Also as the spare and with trauma and anger from his mother's death and his hate of the press, maybe her being American and removed from it all was a breath of fresh air. I don't think he clued in that she was a social climber who saw him as an opportunity. I don't think he every considered early on that she would refuse her place and position in the family and buck against protocols traditions and norms. That was all he had ever known. I think she validates his insecurities and his pain and he lets her make the decisions and supports her out of fear of losing her.

With regards to the interview, I think there were nuggets of truth but the framing and telling of the events were not the full story and included either vague comments or very biased tellings of events or in some cases - pieces leaving listeners to make assumptions and jump to conclusions. I don't think any of this will end well or get Meghan what she wants. I don't think Harry really knows anymore what he wants.

That’s it in a nutshell I think.

@ Roussette

No need to apologise , I was really just musing ! Even though we disagree about H and M , I respect your comments !

@Roussette

Ahhhh right!

So your opinion as opposed to fact that other people have to provide by the way of links.

So many facts but you aren’t listening. We are all entitled to our opinion too. You make judgements and come to conclusions based on what you observe and what you hear and what you read. As do we all. The trouble is you are absolutely determined not to consider for one moment that the couple aren’t pure in intention in every way. That’s fine. We live in a democracy.

Thank you @Oldbutstillgotit. I appreciate that.

I just wanted the content of my post read, as opposed to that being the only thing picked up on by others. I am really not meaning you here, but in the past I've written long posts and one small thing not quite right and that's all that's focussed on.

Yes GoLightly I agree. We're all entitled to our opinion.

Roussette I looked up the allegations about William & couldn’t find any. If Rose has them then I’d like to see them. I wouldn’t have asked if I could find it myself.

Gosh I wish we could edit! Not getting at you Roussette just wanting clarification that’s all.

Anyway got to get on with my day.

I think they were victims in a way, of the media and all the hate aimed at MM. But there’s a point where you need to stand up and refuse to be a victim, as well as take responsibility for your own failings. I don’t have the time or patience for anyone that refuses to take any responsibility for themselves.

@ImAncient

Roussette I looked up the allegations about William & couldn’t find any. If Rose has them then I’d like to see them. I wouldn’t have asked if I could find it myself.

we all agree allegations of racism are serious, so it is difficult to believe such accusations thrown around without backup

With regards to titles, whilst not the standard for grandchildren to get them, if William and Kate’s children do then they should have been given ah explanation they could understand as to why there was different treatment but I don’t believe it was due to race.

There's plenty of explanations on MN which are very easy to understand. I think the issue is that they don't want to understand. It doesn't fit their agenda and they are happy to bandy around allegations of racism - smearing every single senior royal - as their retaliation for people not doing what they wanted.

@Rousette all I was mostly saying is we don't know the details and if it was the other way round and Meghan was being accused of something so frowned upon, people would be being sued to f*ck.

Being a chinless ginger isn't necessarily the side someone'd want to take after physically, is it? Versus taking after a Hollywood actress. I know which I'd prefer.

'Race' (Meghan having a nice Mediterranean-looking complexion in certain lights) isn't the only way their looks differ- eye colour, hair etc. 'Race' might not even be what the person who made the crucial comment (which we don't know) was talking about. Or they might've meant it in an approving way about Meghan- I would. Which of them won the looks lottery, after all?

How likely is it no-one taught her the basics of royal-ism, etc? So many highly unlikely things said. Some of it is outright misleading, like the implication that Archie not being a Prince was due to his race, when it wasn't at all, it was procedural for any child Harry'd had.

But I think we're all going round in circles here, as we have no new info. I 'look forward' to the next drama/leak.

And to Harry coming home ASAP/eventually hopefully.

Personally I think they distanced themselves for a worse reasons (harbouring a paedo maybe?) but cant say for legal reasons or fear of retribution.

Oldbut, "pale" in this context refers to a fence, not skin tone. Google is your friend...

The only reason they want the Prince title is so she can be know as Meghan, Prince Archie's mum, and use it to make money.

Except she is in exactly the same position as Fergie, after the divorce she became an irrelevance. Even if she has lived in the same house as her ex forever.

There are no accusations of any of the RF touching underage children.

The woman Andrew is accused of having sex with was 17, a couple of years younger than is SIL was when she got engaged. 17 is not a child.

Where we get a load of posts overnight, they must largely be US, pro MM posters...I take them with a pinch of salt.