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The royal family

Harry has a lot to answer for.

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Corcory · 10/03/2021 10:14

I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

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Krazynights34 · 10/03/2021 10:16

Why don’t you ask him yourself Piers

MorePotatoSalad · 10/03/2021 10:21

Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

William had the backing of the Palace, Harry said they were unsuppported. They were not isolated incidents, it was a slur campaign. 72 MPs couldn't sort the media out. Harry called for calm 3 times.

Ocsetldil · 10/03/2021 10:22

OP I think you need a 🥶💊

Or perhaps a spa day.

Iamdobby63 · 10/03/2021 10:31

Agree OP, he could also have taught her the words to the national anthem. Everything that went wrong was all down to other people, they are just the victims and were completely helpless............

Corcory · 10/03/2021 10:36

MorePotatoSalad - why didn't he ask his brother then how he went about it?
Ocsetldil - why on earth do I need a chill pill? Mental health is something Harry is clued up about, at the very least she should have gone to speak to their GP just like everyone else does.
The other thing I don't understand is the idea that they had to escape the UK, what good has that done? it certainly hasn't stopped the press. They could easily have got away to Sandringham/ Balmoral for a breather without any paparazzi around.

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Corcory · 10/03/2021 10:38

Or how to curtsy lamdobby63 - surely he knew full well we all don't do that to our grandmother so it's a bit unusual!

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Corcory · 10/03/2021 10:40

I also don't understand why Megan was told not to meet friends for lunch - Diana did it. If they thought it was a bad idea then invite your friends round to yours surely.

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Iamdobby63 · 10/03/2021 10:50

@Corcory

I also don't understand why Megan was told not to meet friends for lunch - Diana did it. If they thought it was a bad idea then invite your friends round to yours surely.
Of course she could. Personally I think the point that she was trying to make without saying it was that they were restricted from being more popular that W and K. That’s the other thing Harry should have taught her - their place within the monarchy, which could have been a very valued and nationally loved place of course. I felt there were undertones of jealousy and resentment towards W and K.
Hoppinggreen · 10/03/2021 10:52

I feel for M, she really had no idea what she was getting into and the British press were (and still are) vile to her.
However, I do think Harry could have helped her more but then would she have listened to him?

Atalune · 10/03/2021 10:53

It does all seem very convoluted and I don’t think there is much veracity in “their truth”.

Mostly it seems like total rubbish ASIDE from the press who have behaved diabolically.

ScribblingPixie · 10/03/2021 10:54

I also don't understand why Megan was told not to meet friends for lunch - Diana did it.

If it doesn't make sense it's probably untrue.

Corcory · 10/03/2021 10:54

Too true lamdobby63 - I definitely got the impression Megan had no idea as to where she and Harry place was within the monarchy. What on earth was he thinking not to discuss all these things?

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Engoltheharpy · 10/03/2021 10:55

Harry's played a blinder here, he's got someone else to fight his corner, air his petty grievances while he can sit back and look like like it's his wife controlling him.

He's fed her a load of half true stories, wound her up into believing he's at risk from a terror attack and by default so is she and their children. Funnily enough he wasn't worried about any of that while off fighting the front line.

MythicalBiologicalFennel · 10/03/2021 11:00

OP I agree with you that MM and PH, especially him, came across as somewhat naive during the interview. But some of your comments make me wonder if you have actually seen it?

My understanding re mental health is that MM wanted to go somewhere for care (as in perhaps a clinic?) and this was refused - not that she went to HR first. TBH I imagine people who are desperate enough that they are methodically planning their suicide might do illogical things such as approaching "the wrong" people for help.

The prince title thing has been explained a few times. According to the rules Archie would be prince when Prince Charles becomes king. However exceptions were made for Charlotte and Louis, to ensure that they were titled pretty much from birth. It seems that such exceptions would not be made for Archie, for whatever reason. MM saw this in the context of "discussions and concerns" about the colour of Archie's skin.

Re security - in the UK police protection is based on need not titles. PH is worried about the safety of his family. Understandably if you think that at one point:
The daily mail had published the location of his home
His father had made it clear he had no security
People had gone to jail for credible threats to kill him "for marrying a black woman". The BBC at the time stated tha the threats levelled at PH and MM included rape and execution.
It's not their fault that they need security 24/7. Perhaps the security bill should go to the tabloids Grin

So you could take the view that the RF is using rules and exceptions as it suits them to protect some great grand children and not others. As a result of this the first non-white birth member of the RF is left with no title and no security. Make of that what you will. What would you do if it was your child?

lunar1 · 10/03/2021 11:00

The press were pretty vile to Kate for a long time. There were topless photos from her honeymoon for a start.

I remember when she gave her first speech once they were married, she was clearly nervous and the press made fun of her.

She was called lazy through her first pregnancy when she had HG. Apart from her wedding day I don't think there was a good word to say about her until she came into her own as a mum and just kept going no matter what they said.

I remember feeling sorry for the was she was portrayed for years. The press behaviour wasn't reserved for Meghan, but her and H telling us to think of the environment while zipping around on private jets certainly fed it all.

lunar1 · 10/03/2021 11:01

I completely agree that Harry has let her down completely.

Krazynights34 · 10/03/2021 11:05

The way that famous women get discussed in the press and on SM is frightening and so disappointing.
I’m sure if MM wanted attention she could have just worn a see through dress... oh wait

GeidiPrimes · 10/03/2021 11:07

Harry has a lot to answer for ... Sadly he's a product of the aristocracy, and these kinds of men are very entitled and blinkered.

However, he did make the decision with DoS to move their family far away from his toxic/archaic family for their own wellbeing. Good for them.

Bibidy · 10/03/2021 11:11

I do agree that Harry could definitely have done more himself to help Meghan, or at least educate her about the reality of what her life would be once they married.

He knew full-well what she could expect, he has lived in this bubble his entire life AND he had seen Kate go through it fairly recently, so for Meghan to be so unprepared shows that he didn't really impress upon her what she would be giving up and what would be expected of her.

I think he was also warned to take it slow with Meghan to give her time to prepare and understand what the life would be like? Instead they met and were married within 2 years, and now not 3 years after their wedding they are out of the family.

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willibald · 10/03/2021 11:15

@Hoppinggreen

I feel for M, she really had no idea what she was getting into and the British press were (and still are) vile to her. However, I do think Harry could have helped her more but then would she have listened to him?
Yeah, right. She was just a doe-eyed teenager. Please.

Harry is pissed off his besotted wasn't made top dog and threw his toys out his pram. He's bought her belief that if she can't have it, no one can.

LindaEllen · 10/03/2021 11:28

@Corcory

I also don't understand why Megan was told not to meet friends for lunch - Diana did it. If they thought it was a bad idea then invite your friends round to yours surely.
You've been watching The Crown.
Saz12 · 10/03/2021 11:36

There’s a horrible irony about it all. Harry made unacceptable racist comments in the past, and “got away with it”. Now his wife & child have reportedly suffered racism from his family.

Racism shouldn’t be accepted from anyone. But he must have known the racism MM would be subjected to, given that he himself used racist language (and dressed in an SS uniform “for a bit fun”) he could hardly argue that he didn’t know how racist the UK could be.

BreastedBoobilyToTheStairs · 10/03/2021 11:43

Given Harry had already experienced his relationships ending (if reporting was correct) over the complications of marrying into the RF and the amount of scrutiny it brought, and having been aware of the amount of shit that Diana, Fergie, and Kate all got from the press, it is completely unfathomable to me that he didn't prepare her. Women marrying into the RF get enough shit from the press generally, let alone when she's a biracial, American actress. It was a massive failing on his part.

Harry had also seen the Yorks have their security removed back in 2011(?), so why he would possibly think Archie would be entitled to security, I don't know.

However exceptions were made for Charlotte and Louis, to ensure that they were titled pretty much from birth. It seems that such exceptions would not be made for Archie, for whatever reason. MM saw this in the context of "discussions and concerns" about the colour of Archie's skin.

I feel like I'm repeating myself on every thread about this but it's clear it's not well known. Leaving everything else aside, there were actual reasons behind the change for William's children and it was due to the Succession Act 2013 which allowed his firstborn child to be his heir, even if female. Because the Letters Patent 1917 allowed the 'eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales' to be HRH Prince, there was a risk that William would have one or more daughters that outranked a younger son in terms of line of succession, but that were outranked by their younger brother in title (they wouldn't be HRH until Charles ascended the throne but the eldest male child would be from birth). That would cause issues in terms of status that, until now, wouldn't have been possible due to the male primogeniture rules. It didn't make sense. They couldn't know in advance how many girls William would have so made it a rule across the board for William's children so as not to have only the youngest male children of the direct heir to be lower in status than his older brother and sisters. That's why it was necessary to make the change for Charlotte and Louis, it was done for all of them before George was even born. The same need isn't there for Archie as a child so far away from the throne. If you read the various laws it does make sense.

Frankly, even without all of that, as the son of the heir's heir's brother, Archie simply isn't as important in terms of 'being royal' as his cousins (not to be confused with his equal importance within the family more generally), so there is little reason to treat them equally. Given the whole institution is based on some people being more important than others due to the circumstances of their parentage and birth order, I don't actually see a problem with discrepancies in title. It's not the same as treating them equally in terms of their place in the family as a family (rather than as royalty).

Of course, if you were already feeling pushed out and hated I don't doubt it's an easy thing to pick up on and think it's to do with race, especially if there were previous 'concerns', but there's a pretty rational explanation that would have applied regardless of who Harry married.

As for a change in law so he can't get it in future, I imagine that would have been on the cards anyway as part of Charles 'slimming down' of the royals anyway. Stripping the Yorks of their titles to 'even things out' would be significantly more of a statement than saying that from now on, unless you're born into the direct line of succession you don't get a title, but he'd already taken away the Yorks' security and it wasn't any secret Queen had always expected them to go and get normal jobs rather than being fully active working royals, so in terms of that entitlement, it should have been pretty obvious the same position would be applied.

Corcory · 10/03/2021 11:52

Foe information I have never watched the Crown, it just looks ridiculous. I am old enough to remember Diana going out shopping, to the gym, and out for lunch etc. So she did do all these things. Also I watched the whole interview, I'v even got it recorded and have rewound several parts.
I as well as others in my family have had mental health problems. I have a son who has contemplated suicide so I do know where to go. Megan seems to think the only thing to do is go to the Priory. Not so. Harry has contacts he has had counselling himself, he knows these conversations are completely confidential so to say he didn't know where to go or was scared to ask is just rubbish.

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