Harry has a lot to answer for.

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I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

I strongly disagree that the majority of people in the UK are racist, that's the point. The vast majority of us were really pleased to have a bi racial person marrying into the Royal family. I for one was very exited at the idea of how she could modernise the institution and improve the lot and encourage people of the BAME community not only here but in the Commonwealth as well.
I'm not panicking, I'm very cross that so many people with a voice in the media in the US are suggesting that this is endemic in the UK. Last night I watched Peston on ITV. He had John Barnes the black ex footballer on there who stated that the Brits only want their Royal babies to be white with blue eyes! I am furious. I, as a white person know what I think, not John Barnes and I was really keen to see a more mixed races in the Royal family, I know no one who thinks as he suggested. So as far as I'm concerned we all need to understand that people from different cultures have different perspectives on things but don't tell me what I think John Barnes, you don't walk in my shoes nor me in yours.

You're not panicking, but you are "furious". I mean, whatever, but I think you'd feel much better if you didn't take personal offence at a black man saying Britain has a problem with racism, and that some of that centred around the RF, which is what he was saying. He isn't wrong! Do you remember the comments when H&M announced they were getting married? Openly hostile that they weren't the right match, that he should have gone for an English type and so on. It isn't ALL white people here. That doesn't even need to be said really. There are lots of books and articles on racism in the UK and if you aren't into reading books, there are many SM influencers you could follow if you're interested. But if you'd rather get furious then that's that I suppose.

Not saying the current RF are racist obviously, but there is a history there. If you are from here, (as I am not), it may be harder to see how the institution is sometimes perceived in other countries. I don't dislike the royals at all, but some of their most ardent supporters are also incredibly right wing. It gets political, which is why it's important to try to understand rather than getting offended and furious.

Just my opinion, but if you don't want to hear it, I won't bother you with it again.

I am allowed to be cross when someone of another ethnicity suggests they know what the whole of my ethnicity think. John Barnes said we all wanted a blue eyed white baby, which we did not, that's not how the majority of the UK think and I'm tired of people who harp back to history in order to justify their presumption that we are all still racist. Don't you get that? I can only suggest you are not my ethnicity so you think it's perfectly OK for someone to lump all the white people together. So I can only suggest you think it's fine for someone to be racist about the white community. The history of the Royal family is not under question here, we are all well aware of how previous generations treated and spoke about BAME people but don't tar us all with the same brush.

Quite funny that we are now in a race war perpetrated by a women who is married to a man who has a history of racist actions himself. I guess that history is ok and because lessons were learnt (I assume), we can move on and not mention it.

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I am allowed to be cross when someone of another ethnicity suggests they know what the whole of my ethnicity think. John Barnes said we all wanted a blue eyed white baby, which we did not, that's not how the majority of the UK think and I'm tired of people who harp back to history in order to justify their presumption that we are all still racist. Don't you get that? I can only suggest you are not my ethnicity so you think it's perfectly OK for someone to lump all the white people together. So I can only suggest you think it's fine for someone to be racist about the white community. The history of the Royal family is not under question here, we are all well aware of how previous generations treated and spoke about BAME people but don't tar us all with the same brush.

I'm white. You need to calm down as you sound extremely wound up. I have been nothing but calm when talking to you and you are off on one, so I'll leave you to it

I mostly blame Harry, but Meghan IMO was naive and disrespectful. I was quite appalled at the TV show when she said the Queen was coming over to meet them impromptu at some lunch in Windsor and that she said to Harry "Oh, that's so great, I love Grandmas".

Sorry, but that is so disrespectful. She is either a bit thick or is so up her own backside that she just didn't get that the Queen is head of a whole commonwealth. She's not just some granny and can be appeased with "ahh, your grammies is soooooo adorable". I absolutely cringed at this.

She's still doing it now. I wouldn't treat my DH's granny from Manchester like that, let alone the freakin Queen of Britain and the commonwealth. She really is unbelievably disrespectful and lacking in class.

I think everyone who has the time effort and energy to post anti H&M posts should look into volunteering as either a career or a hobby. Think of the good you could do, instead of giving the Daily piece of shit Mail fodder for their piece of shit readers?!

The curtsy incident makes me call everything into question. When you are going to meet the family, your boyfriend typically briefs you ahead of time. Be sure to compliment my mom’s clock. Don’t talk to my uncle about politics. Be sure to get a taste of any dessert made by my aunt, but avoid anything cooked by my cousin. Yet he did not take the time to teach her how to greet the Queen? Really?

Either someone is telling stories or Harry is unbelievably incompetant. I suppose it could be either.

I think the rest of the RF will ignore them from now on. Cut them off both from fuel and from cash. Let them run out of money.

Harry is in a vulnerable position if he wants to see his kids so probably won't want to walk away. But then I think she might dispose of him when he is no longer useful to her.

and dressed in an SS uniform “for a bit fun”

The Nazi fancy dress was unbelievably stupid and insensitive.
However this was quite a long time ago. Are mistakes made by young people going to unforgiven forever?
Will Straw was caught dealing drugs which is illegal. Should this idiotic act be held over him forever?

Andante57 - But the current generations of white brits are being blamed for the racism of previous generations. That's the problem with so much of these discussions. Many people are suggesting that because there was racism in the past then we are all still racists. I had completely forgotten about Harry and the Nazi fancy dress, I forgave him long ago. But I am really cross at people like John Barnes who suggests we all only wanted a white baby from Megan and Harry. That's completely wrong and is never called out for fear of being called racist! In discussions on the media, plenty of people are being heard saying things about the Royal Family and their attitude but we don't know what was actually said.

In discussions on the media, plenty of people are being heard saying things about the Royal Family and their attitude but we don't know what was actually said

I agree.
Also people have discovered the power of an accusation of racism or homophobia. It doesn’t have to be true - just an accusation is enough for mud to stick.
I think it’s terrifying.

Its definitely scary. And worrying that nobody has called John Barnes out on that blue eye comment. Thousands thought MM would be good for the RF, make it a bit more diverse.

How many people watched MM wedding?
How many people lined the streets to see her?
Those are not the acts of a racist country.

How many people watched MM wedding?

How many racist headlines were there before the wedding?

How many overtly racist threads were there on Mumsnet before the wedding?

The racism on Mumsnet towards Meghan was actually far worse before the wedding and immediately afterwards, than anything since. The threads since Harry and Meghan left are actually far more mild and polite (due to the worst and most overt racists being banned and fucking off to their new forum) than the threads here around the wedding. And that was before Meghan had done any of the things that she's being castigated for, when she'd literally done nothing.

I remember comments and newspaper articles at the time of the wedding being overwhelmingly positive about the royal family becoming more diverse, people liked the gospel choir at the service, people liked that the crowd watching were more diverse than usual.
I also think people in the US are not aware of how commonplace mixed marriages and relationships are in Britain, we have a higher rate than any other country. It just doesn't fit with the narrative.
There seems to be a problem with people's memories or willingness to take the long view, only the most recent, most dramatic story is remembered or discussed and the whole narrative is changed to fit in with that story, ignoring the whole picture and leaving out facts that don't fit.

My recollection is that the press were very favourable to MM.

Charles has wanted to slim down the Monarchy for years. He said No to Bea and Eugenie (same position as Archie) becoming full-time Royals.

They might have a Netflix deal, how much of that money will materialise?
What have they actually produced?
Unless they produce the goods Netflix will pull the plug.

I think it must be hard when you are the second child in the RF. You are so so important up till the point your sibling has children, and then suddenly your not important at all, whilst your brother is the most important. Especially with Princess Diana dieing, those boys were sort of the front of the RF from such a young age.

Archie is a very long way down the pecking order in the RF. It must be hard to watch your siblings child become prince, one day future king whilst your child is not deemed important enough for a title. Bearing in mind his father is a future king and his brother, both his closest relatives are future kings and he's just the spare. Its like all the various inheritance threads on here where one sibling gets more than the other except one sibling gets an entire fucking empire.

I think Harry is probably quite jealous of William. And maybe quite angry that he's becoming less important the more children william has.

William was quite lucky with Kate really, there's not many women willing to put up with being in the royal family. William was lucky that Kate did, because I think most women would leave. Harry probably didn't want to loose Megan so kept things from her and married her and had children with her too quickly

And tbh if I was Harry I'd probably be jealous of William, he's for the perfect wife, perfect children, future king. Never steps a foot wrong at least in the press

Hes got power with the media that Harry doesn't, power in the RF that Harry doesn't. Maybe Harry thought when he married and had children he'd be seen the same as William but instead he just got a lot of media abuse.

Meghan and Harry have to maintain victim status to pursue their agenda and they have to bang that drum very loudly to drown out all the people who are saying "hey wait a minute..."
People liked M&H but one of the things we admire the Royal Family, especially the Queen, for is a degree of stoicism and a tacit agreement that yes, they have privileged lives and in return they will never publicly whinge about the constraints placed upon them. prince Andrew was unpopular for years as he was perceived as huffy and spoilt whereas Princess Anne may have had some bad press for being grumpy but is admired for being tough and hard working. Prince Charles has had a lot of stick for being pretentious.
To cut a long story short i think M&H got bad press when they revealed character traits and actions the British public do not find acceptable among the Royal family, previously, Royals have also had bad press for very similar things so it shouldn't have surprised them but they seem rather unself- aware for two people apparently in touch with their feelings.

Agreed

I don't think Harry got any real abuse from the press until they decided to jack the RF and go to Canada then Hollywood.

His Gran, Dad and Brother would have protected him, he is one of them!
Have you see the protection around his Uncle? we'll retire you off, so keep your head down, and it will be fine.

But they can only do so much. Harry was contracting himself, don't want the media spotlight but want to be in Hollywood.

William advised him to slow down. How much time had they actually spent together before the engagement? Baring in mind both their jobs, how much time did they really have together?

MM was the first unmarried 'partner' to attend Christmas with family. Charles walked her down the aisle, supported her mum like it was the most natural thing in the world. They welcomed her.

MM was the first unmarried 'partner' to attend Christmas with family. Charles walked her down the aisle, supported her mum like it was the most natural thing in the world. They welcomed her.

And after that Xmas, Harry said on R4 that his family had loved having her and for her "it was the family I suppose she's never had".

It's relatively recent that divorcees have been allowed to marry in Church in the U.K. Charles and Camilla did registry office followed by service of blessing. This is what Harry and Meghan should have had. But everyone loves a big royal , wedding, Harry was popular and Meghan was welcomed. If they had not been allowed their big days there would have been cries of racism, and not welcoming her etc way back then.
But in hindsight I wish they had been denied the big wedding. It all looks such a sham now, even she says it was if you believe her story of getting married in the backyard three days previously.