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Harry has a lot to answer for.

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Corcory · 10/03/2021 10:14

I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

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Lockdownbear · 17/03/2021 14:34

Yes Charles could easily have denied them the big wedding on the basis she was divorced.

But everyone loves the romance of a big Royal Wedding. How much money did it cost but at the same time how much money did it generate for the economy?

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Itsalonghaul · 17/03/2021 15:15

I mostly hope the Royal Family will keep a dignified distance and stay as far away from this toxic mess as possible.

The only way forward is one of distance and NC in my view. The damage has been done and is irreparable, they should stop this now and get on with their lives and be happy which is what they say they want.

Let the Royal Family do the same. Nothing good can come from this now for either side.

Itsalonghaul · 17/03/2021 15:16

The only true 'healing' possible now is one that keeps them as far away as possible. The trust has gone.

Itsalonghaul · 17/03/2021 15:20

I could forgive my family for almost anything but I could never forgive them for calling me racist. It is such a serious allegation.
I could never get past that. If something I said was taken out of context, and the word racist was levelled against me, I would never be able to get past it.

2bazookas · 17/03/2021 15:56

@FannyCann

It's relatively recent that divorcees have been allowed to marry in Church in the U.K. Charles and Camilla did registry office followed by service of blessing. This is what Harry and Meghan should have had. But everyone loves a big royal , wedding, Harry was popular and Meghan was welcomed. If they had not been allowed their big days there would have been cries of racism, and not welcoming her etc way back then. But in hindsight I wish they had been denied the big wedding. It all looks such a sham now, even she says it was if you believe her story of getting married in the backyard three days previously.
They did NOT get married three days earlier alone in the garden with the Archbishop; that was a big fat fib . They made some private vows which have no legal status whatever and don't constitute marriage. 
In England, the wedding venue must be licensed for weddings (their  garden wasn't)  and there must be two other witnesses (there were none).  It also has to  officially entered in national  public records.   The Archbishop himself has denied it was a marriage.
FannyCann · 17/03/2021 17:27

I did say IF you believe. Obviously it is, as you say, a big fat fib.
But it does still have the effect of making the big wedding seem like a sham - all the fuss about tiaras and what not, but she didn't want any of it. She wanted it to be just her and Harry. Poor thing having to go through that big wedding just for show. Obviously being such a private person it was the last thing she wanted.

We'd never have heard the end of it if she hadn't been allowed the big wedding.

Lockdownbear · 17/03/2021 17:51

Definitely the RF can't do right for doing wrong for MM.

I just can't figure out how this will end. Charles and William will protect themselves, attack is the best form of defence.
Will they try to protect Harry and while exposing Meghan ?

derxa · 17/03/2021 18:18

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sotiredofthislonelylife · 17/03/2021 19:40

@Lockdownbear

Definitely the RF can't do right for doing wrong for MM.

I just can't figure out how this will end. Charles and William will protect themselves, attack is the best form of defence.
Will they try to protect Harry and while exposing Meghan ?

I am pretty sure that William could foresee trouble with MM, which is why he advised Harry to wait. Unfortunately, Harry didn’t see sense, and pushed ahead. I can understand that Harry was desperate for a wife and family, but clearly didn’t expect that she would very quickly turn him against his friends and family. I believe it was always her plan to move back home, knowing that he would have no choice but to follow. I doubt that the RF can do anything but wave farewell.
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Corcory · 17/03/2021 23:11

Yes, Like I said Harry has a lot to answer for ScribblingPixie!! That stupid comment started the alienation with the Megan's father and his family.
But of course he believes everything Megan says!!

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OldScrappyAndHungry · 17/03/2021 23:16

What is tragic is that we all think that this dysfunctional and archaic family are owed such obsequiousness and respect Hmm.

Maybe she chose not to learn to curtesy because she rightly believes that curtesying to anyone is an outdated load of bollocks?

Lockdownbear · 18/03/2021 00:57

I might be a cynic but maybe she's delighted for others to curtsy

Lockdownbear · 18/03/2021 00:59

Sorry hit post too soon

...Curtsey to her but not so much her curtsey to anyone else?

rosetylersbiggun · 18/03/2021 03:21

I could forgive my family for almost anything but I could never forgive them for calling me racist.
I could forgive my family for almost anything but I could never forgive them for being racist towards my child.

You do realise that being racist is a million times worse than accusing someone of being racist, don't you?

I mostly hope the Royal Family will keep a dignified distance
I hope they finally stop smearing their own son/grandson/brother in the press and leaking nasty stories about him. Vile behaviour. But the RF always need scapegoats.

Will they try to protect Harry and while exposing Meghan ?
They've never tried to protect Harry, ever. The Robert Lacey book states (and at least four separate reporters and former tabloid journalists have confirmed) that as far back as when they were underage teenagers, the RF staff would phone up tabloids and actively offer photos and stories about Harry in exchange for those tabloids agreeing not to publish stories about William.

That's what sparked the initial wave of leaked negative stories about Harry and Meghan, it's one of the tactics the RF used to try to get the tabloids not to cover the (alleged, ahem) William and Rose Hanbury affair.

rosetylersbiggun · 18/03/2021 03:24

It's honestly astounding to read so many comments along the lines of, "Well of course a black divorced American career woman had a master plan that involved meeting a European prince of a foreign country (after first spending 15 years pursuing a completely different career, and moving to, um, Canada) somehow convincing him to marry her, giving up her career and country, being racially abused and bullied, becoming the most hated woman in the country, then abandoning a guaranteed life of extreme wealth and privilege in the hopes of maybe um.... getting a TV show out of it (??), can't believe anyone's so gullible and naive not to realise she planned every step of this from the start, and oh btw isn't it awful how those reporters just happened to accost poor Wills and Kate when they were innocently enjoying a lovely afternoon with their new black friend?"

Itsalonghaul · 18/03/2021 05:43

rose As I have never been a racist, and never say anything racist I would find the allegation of being called one unbearable and untenable. If it was by a family member this would amplify that by a thousand, and it is not something I would recover from. It is because I take racism so seriously that I would this so wounding.

As we don't know the details of what was said, and we have no names so they are unable to put forward their side, no detail and no context, it is impossible to know if what was said was racist or not, and if it is not, then this is irreparable. We have no idea if it is even the truth!

Either way if you hear or see racism it should be called out immediately on the spot, and in work settings HR contacted, potentially it is a police matter. I would like to know why this didn't happen, why was it NOT called out immediately, and why are hearing about it a solid three years later by a third party....

Itsalonghaul · 18/03/2021 05:56

I wish H&M well, I hope the interview draws a line under the whole fiasco, and they can get on and enjoy their lives. I also hope the RF put the same amount of effort into investigating the racism claim as they do the Meghan's bullying of staff. It is not enough to say they are not a racist family in passing.

Mummyoflittledragon · 18/03/2021 06:30

I agree he has a lot to answer for. If they ever do split, I think the fall out will be worse. Harry will have told Meghan all sorts of things. She will not hesitate to use this against him.

Itsalonghaul · 18/03/2021 06:40

Either way it seems to me bridges have not been burnt, but well and truly scorched to the ground and some.

BalloonSlayer · 18/03/2021 07:37

@OldScrappyAndHungry

What is tragic is that we all think that this dysfunctional and archaic family are owed such obsequiousness and respect Hmm.

Maybe she chose not to learn to curtesy because she rightly believes that curtesying to anyone is an outdated load of bollocks?

Why marry in to the family then? If you disapprove of inherited wealth and privilege you would surely cringe away from the likes of Prince Harry.

Analogy warning: I might consider dating someone whose family had been furriers for generations. I accept times change. But if he was also a furrier, and it was clear from the outset that we were expected to run our own fur shop if we got married, i would give him a big swerve. But there are still plenty of women around who love a fur coat! But pretending to want to join the business only to make him leave when he knows nothing else "because you didn't realise it was cruel" . . . ?

Sorry unfair analogy I know, I wanted an example of something that's old fashioned, legal, yet lots of people think is wrong. Grin

livinlavida2021 · 18/03/2021 07:44

I completely agree with you OP and I've been saying the same thing since this interview - he seems to be escaping under the radar throughout this whole debacle.

However I disagree with one point - archies skin colour and the title.

The rules yes will not permit him to have a title but the queen changed the rules to give Williams kids a title - Prince George, Louis and Princess Charlotte - so why not the same for Harry's children? I can see why they might question this.

livinlavida2021 · 18/03/2021 07:45

So you could take the view that the RF is using rules and exceptions as it suits them to protect some great grand children and not others. As a result of this the first non-white birth member of the RF is left with no title and no security. Make of that what you will. What would you do if it was your child?*

Exactly this

SheldonesqueIsUnwell · 18/03/2021 08:10

mummy of little dragon

I agree. Ole Hal is fucked regardless.

Oldbutstillgotit · 18/03/2021 08:18

@ livinlavida2021

It has been explained umpteen times why the Cambridge children have titles ; it was to do with the Act of Succession.
None of the other Great grandchildren have tithes .