Meghan and Kate

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I only watched about 25 mins and then switched off. Am sure MM felt exactly as she described. But what I did feel was odd (apart from the whole Archie should have had a title so he had protection when none of the Wessex or York kids have government protection - it was withdrawn a while back) was her comment on the Kate situation. She said “Kate was upset. Kate made me cry. Yes it was about bridesmaid dresses.” Then a story came out 7 months later about how MM had made KM cry which was apparently false.

As soon as she relayed the story it made me think - but why was Kate upset? Had you (perhaps inadvertently) upset her? Maybe the story was true - you had made her cry. Obviously what was missing was the fact MM had been made to cry by Kate. But I don’t think the story that was being peddled was necessarily incorrect.

Did anyone else think the same?

@Meredithgrey1 so that means its not true? No one knows whats true and what isn't. While it may be that Kate made Meghan cry, it may also be true that kate was upset! Just because kate was the bigger person and apologised that doesn't mean she is the big bad devil, it could just mean that she has better manners and realised her part in the whole situation. Given the fact that Meghan has told some very easily disputed lies during this interview I don't think for one second that the way she framed her account of the incident is exactly how it happened. She knows that Kate will never argue back publicly so she has carte blanche to say whatever she pleases!

@RosesAndHellebores - the things you know? Half of them you've made up/read things into to suit the anti-Meghan narrative.

I'm not sure why we're supposed to care whether either of them cried. That kind of stuff happens in families.
I'm not talking about allegations of racist language.
But to me the whole she made me cry finger pointing thing dilutes the more serious accusation. Strange thing to bring up

[quote pabloescobarselasticband]@Meredithgrey1 so that means its not true? No one knows whats true and what isn't. While it may be that Kate made Meghan cry, it may also be true that kate was upset! Just because kate was the bigger person and apologised that doesn't mean she is the big bad devil, it could just mean that she has better manners and realised her part in the whole situation. Given the fact that Meghan has told some very easily disputed lies during this interview I don't think for one second that the way she framed her account of the incident is exactly how it happened. She knows that Kate will never argue back publicly so she has carte blanche to say whatever she pleases! [/quote]
Of course it doesn’t mean it’s not true. I never said it did. But this is pointless reporting of “this source said Kate cried” and then “oh yes we’ve accepted the other source was wrong, please now consider this source which conveniently also has Meghan as the villain of the story”

@IstandwithJackieWeaver everything I have referred to is an observable and/or reported fact. None made up and I rather object to that assertion.

Au contraire @RosesAndHellebores - object all you like but half of your assertions are conjecture.

Are you suggesting Harry isn't the younger son of the Prince of Wales and that publicity shy couple have not appeared on the Oprah Winfrey show? Is MM perhaps not divorced after all and also has marvellous relationships with all her family. Did not she announce her pg at Harry's cousin's wedding or announce her 2nd viable pg with staged pictures within days of Eugenie's baby being born? I suppose too that this latest stunt went ahead and wasn't cancelled due to her empathetic nature in light of Prince Philip's serious illness in recent weeks.

everything I have referred to is an observable and/or reported fact

Reported fact? By whom? The tabloids? Or the broadsheets whose unquestioning publishing of briefings by "friends of CH/KP/BP" is no better?

Meghan did not decide the date of her wedding in isolation. It would have been a Palace decision as an event attended by most of the senior royals.

Eugenie could have had her wedding whenever she wanted if she had had a normal upper class wedding like Anne's children. But no, she and Airmiles Andy wanted the full public spectacle at considerable cost to the taxpayer because god forbid anyone forget for a moment that Andy is Important.

And are you really suggesting they planned and announced a pregnancy to overshadow Eugenie's baby?

Most of these "facts" are assumptions and attributions of motive without evidence either way.

Wonder if the whole story was leaked much later to cover up or detract from Williams indescretions?

MammabearX1 nothing would surprise me about this ghastly family and their ghastly pr machine.

I am suggesting you have bought into the press spin on things. You don't know all of these things at all, you choose to believe them because that's how some have reported them and you don't like a woman you don't know personally, but choose to believe the worst of:

Has little respect for protocol - how do you know?

Turned up at Eugenie's wedding having dressed her bump to show and announced pg at the wedding stealing the bride's day. - in your opinion

Overshadowed birth of Eugenie's son with announcement of her pregnancy photo - in your opinion

Sorry, @RosesAndHellebores but your opinion/take on things isn't fact.

And whilst we're at it, it was Prince Harry's wedding too and he is/was more senior then Eugenie so his wedding was always going to take precedent. But no, let's say Meghan spoiled Eugenie's potential big day.

Fergie was dubbed the Duchess of Pork because of her weight

She was dubbed the Duchess of Pork because of her eye for a money grabbing opportunity. She expected designers to offer her freebies and even pay her to wear stuff when other Royals paid for their clothes. She and Andrew were well suited in that respect - both were more interested in making money than protocol

It says a lot about the state of this country that the public are apparently more exercised by a biracial woman experiencing racism in a family built on colonialism and white privilege than a son of that family who has spent a lifetime with his nose in the pork barrel, a large range of dubious friendships and potentially abuse of young women. I don't see the palace investigating any of that behaviour.

The Prince Philip thing is absurd. He's probably in the King Edward V11 living the life of Riley in order that people say oh how mean to talk with Prince Philip so poorly. I mean come on, the guy is nearly 100.... when you pop off at nearly 100 you've done pretty well; a death at that age in comfortable circumstances is hardly a tragic event.

AIBU

I’ve been a member of a family who likes things done in a particular way. My BIL is getting married and whilst trying to help SIL to be with some of the families rules during a dress fitting for DD who will be a bridesmaid, she was offended and got upset. But I was upset too (and had a baby 3weeks ago). She’s blaming me. AIBU to be upset?

I’m getting married However, I’m joining a family that have all these rules and traditions that I don’t understand and aren’t meaningful to me. Had a dress fitting for SIL’s DD who is to be a bridesmaid and SIL got all upset because I think it’s my wedding and I should be able to course how I want it. AIBU to be upset?

have things not course

[quote Windchangeface]@frazzledasarock

What’s wrong with M&H trademarking things William and Kate did it as well

W&K can do this because they are working royals who simultaneously do the work, charity and obligations which come with that! It’s a trade off of benefits vs obligations. They earn a massive amount for the country (much more than they cost) and do fantastic charity works.

They do the job and in return they collect the pay/benefits that’s why it’s fair. What MM & H have done is decide they want to be free of all the obligations, control and work that comes with being royal ... but cash in on being royal regardless for their own benefit!

If you quit the job you don’t expect to keep getting the pay and benefits! That’s just very entitled.[/quote]
They did it prior to withdrawing from their royal duties.

It’s pretty obvious looking at this thread itself, how irrational and vitriolic people are about Meghan.

And it is Meghan the rhetoric being that Harry a grown man is some how not in charge of his own faculties.

People on here are falling over themselves to compare Meghan unfavourably to Kate, even if it looks like something was Kate’s fault people tie themselves into knots to reason why it wasn’t Kate’s fault at all but Meghan.

And Kate did not get half the media vitriol that Meghan did and the palace moved fast to shut down stories and protect her.

But for some bizarre reason there are people insisting this isn’t so.

And of course it’s nothing to do with racism.

Racism in the UK is so insidious and covert, every single person of colour living in the UK can’t spot the racism a mile off. But it’s not the acid because the racists say it isn’t. It’s just good old fashioned bullying (because of Meghans skin colour).

The racists are always so incredibly outraged at being called out for being racist.

Thank god the UK police are not armed generally. We’d be giving the US a run for their money.

@C8H10N4O2 yes fergie was lambasted by the press because of her love of a freebie, but according to reports last week Meghans threw a hissy fit over the same thing. She couldn't understand why when designers sent her clothes for free she wasn't allowed to accept them. So its not racist when the press do it to fergie but it's because of racism the press do it to Meghan? Really!!

@C8H10N4O2

Fergie was dubbed the Duchess of Pork because of her weight

She was dubbed the Duchess of Pork because of her eye for a money grabbing opportunity. She expected designers to offer her freebies and even pay her to wear stuff when other Royals paid for their clothes. She and Andrew were well suited in that respect - both were more interested in making money than protocol

It says a lot about the state of this country that the public are apparently more exercised by a biracial woman experiencing racism in a family built on colonialism and white privilege than a son of that family who has spent a lifetime with his nose in the pork barrel, a large range of dubious friendships and potentially abuse of young women. I don't see the palace investigating any of that behaviour.

It was because she was fat even she says that she was so upset she wished she could have bulimia because she couldn't stop eating

This may have been mentioned by a pp.

I like Meghan and we gave quite a few things in common however... Meghan had no way of knowing if Kate didn't go home later that day or the next day and cry to whoever (maybe even a personal aide) about whatever it is they argued about.

3 weeks post partum - ouch! Though with dc2 I somehow felt I could go out and do classes. I'm sure I didn't leave the house until week 6 with dc1. (Though this may have also had something to do with tearing a stitch day 2....)

I had very little control over my own wedding. Those socks/tights/dress fitting may have felt, at the time, like life or death. Also, an apology note doesn't indicate 100% fault or blame.

It was because she was fat even she says that she was so upset she wished she could have bulimia because she couldn't stop eating

Really? She said that knowing Diana had bullimia? (something which was hardly secret in the family at the time).

She was infamous for demanding freebies just like airmiles Andy. I only ever (at the time it when the name was being used) heard them called the Duke and Duchess of Pork in the context the greed and demand for freebies. Since I knew more than one company who had been on the receiving end of the demands I had no reason to doubt the attribution. I can see why from Fergie's PoV it might play better to say it was all about her weight.

fergie was lambasted by the press because of her love of a freebie, but according to reports last week Meghans threw a hissy fit over the same thing

Fergie went out demanding freebies.

Do tell, were you there when Meghan threw this "hissy fit" after being offered a freebie?

It’s very easy to say something about someone when you know they have no way of replying with their side of the story.

One thing you learn with age is how stories are hardly ever how people present them

[quote ChocolateSantaisthebestkind]@SirChing they have many many millions, they did not need to 'work to pay for security' they need to work to afford to live like Hollywood megastars, which they are not. Boo fucking hoo![/quote]
Yes & Harry in his mid thirties has the audacity to say "my father has cut me off financially"!!!!!
Can't believe he still expects money from Charles... To me he came across as childish, very dim & completely out of touch of the reality...
Always thought he wasn't the sharpest tool in the box despite the hundreds of thousands spent on his education... Meghan is so much cleverer & sharper than him, I can see her tiring of him soon...

@frazzledasarock

They did it prior to withdrawing from their royal duties

They did it in extremely close proximity to them leaving. It’s highly doubtful they didn’t know exactly what they were doing.

They’ve since broached contacts with Netflix (based on the crown) and Disney (based on Megan being a ‘princess’) so how is this them wanting to ‘not be royal’ or ‘be private citizens’? It’s entirely them wanting to cash in on being royal but not do any of the work/ earn money for the county or give back via charities and good works. It’s selfish, calculated and it’s correct that they have been blocked at every turn.

They wanted to be ‘private citizens’ fine, they were released from their royal status so why aren’t they sodding off and doing it? They could have moved to remote Canada and lived an almost normal life in peace but instead they’re living in LA, doing trashy chat shows ‘throwing shade’ and making a circus of themselves.

That is why people dislike them so much. For me it’s got nothing to do with racism. I celebrated the royal family diversifying, long over due!

the hypocrisy of mn is outstanding.
M was ripped to shreds over the making K cry story.
now it seems it might have been the other way round.....
oh poor K.
no wonder they left.

I have some sympathy for M&H (extreme privilege aside) they seem nice enough. She has been treated awfully and as definitely encountered racist behaviour.
However the interview was frankly ridiculous, self entitled woe is me. I don't think anyone came out of it great.
Seriously Harry "My Dad cut me off so all I have now is the millions my mum left me" 🙄