Meghan and Kate

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I only watched about 25 mins and then switched off. Am sure MM felt exactly as she described. But what I did feel was odd (apart from the whole Archie should have had a title so he had protection when none of the Wessex or York kids have government protection - it was withdrawn a while back) was her comment on the Kate situation. She said “Kate was upset. Kate made me cry. Yes it was about bridesmaid dresses.” Then a story came out 7 months later about how MM had made KM cry which was apparently false.

As soon as she relayed the story it made me think - but why was Kate upset? Had you (perhaps inadvertently) upset her? Maybe the story was true - you had made her cry. Obviously what was missing was the fact MM had been made to cry by Kate. But I don’t think the story that was being peddled was necessarily incorrect.

Did anyone else think the same?

The media back in the day shredded Kate and her family regularly , she chased him, she had a common background, ancestors, they were vile. She rose above it in public , probably cried buckets in private. Meghan wasn't treated any better, nor Sarah, the obsession with Diana's virginity before her wedding was obscene.

W&K did to protect their names and the children's, not to make money. That's the difference.

I’m sure I read yesterday that Kensington Palace did issue a statement saying that the story about Meghan making Kate cry wasn’t true?

A bride and her bridesmaid had a bit of a disagreement, case closed. Enough with the drama and playing victims.

I know that with Fergie the press ripped her apart not because of racism but because of her ostentatious behaviour

She was also a target because she was deemed to be overweight. She was referred to as the Duchess of Pork.

@shamalidacdak

Like everything else to do with MM it's one big murky mess. The woman takes drama with her wherever she goes and doesn't care who she takes down.

Sounds like you're speaking from personal experience @shamalidacdak

I’m just disappointed Emily Maitlis didn’t do the interview. There was a staggering lack of detail around all the allegations. They couldn’t even get the detail correct about the racist comment. Did it happen before the wedding or when she was pregnant. Either way it was a totally inappropriate and racist comment to make.

As for the rest of it, far too vague for my liking. Totally tone deaf too, complaining that you’ve been left down to your last 30 odd million, living in your multi million pound mansion whilst so many families are struggling to even feed their children during the pandemic.

From what I read recently about the Buckingham Palace aides who got upset with Meghan and the resignations, there is a lot of tension in the Royal Households around etiquette. Didn't I read that an aide suggested Meghan wear a hat on an official outing with the Queen; the aide became upset when M said she didn't want to?. Ditto when M diverged from assumed 'protocol' on an official tour to Australia. I get the impression that if form isn't followed, somebody gets blamed. Higher up echelons notice and ask why something didn't happen. It's enormously stressful for the aides who understand expectations and think any originality which breaches etiquette will reflect damagingly on them. It sounds stressful working in a Royal Household.

Didn't I read months ago that the bridesmaid incident was about tights. Protocol says they are worn by even young bridesmaids. Common sense, perhaps, or those with another opinion say ' No! It will be too hot'. Kate may have urged tights to fit with etiquette, and MM may have insisted bare legs. And Kate may have figured that she would be blamed by the more senior royal and their staff for allowing her daughter to break tradition.

That is the sort of disagreement which might occur. I imagine it might a contractor who leaked the story . I think it might be simply because on Mumsnet you hear of posters who know somebody famous who knows some detail on a famous person. I doubt if any story was deliberately leaked by K, and the angle, all that time ago when it was first reported, linked to a suggestion of somebody appearing to be upset. It didn't have the feel of inside information about the feelings involved.

The Palace put out a statement that Kate doesn’t use Botox and put out a statement attributing something in her hair to a ‘childhood scar’ (rather than extensions) but apparently couldn’t put out any statements about lies relating to Meghan because the Royals ‘never complain, never explain’. OK, then.

I have no idea what Meghan is like as a person but when multiple prominent members of the Black community call out constant racism against her in the tabloids, I believe them.

Also, Frogmore - Kate and William got a mansion in Norfolk with extensive grounds that cost £1.5 million to renovate before they moved in. Harry and Meghan got staff accommodation by a car park. If it took £2.5 million to do up, that’s at least partly due to the state it was in to begin with - converting a listed building back to a single family home from staff flats will be expensive.

Remind me again how much Andrew sold his house (gifted by the Queen on marriage) for. £15 million wasn’t it? If a second son of the Queen gets the freehold of a mansion with its own grounds worth that much (and there was no suggestion he needed to repay the money when he decided to sell up), it seems disingenuous to criticise how much Harry and Meghan’s property cost (and they have a long lease - they don’t own it). The Royals all have properties worth multi millions. Why are Harry and Meghan the only ones who get slated for it?

To be fair William and Kate were in Wales in a rental for a long time the house came later

@Talia99 That is a scar on her head, we've seen pictures of her extension bonds, that was definitely as scar. William has one too, where he was hit in the head by a golf club as a child. They talked about their matching Harry Potter scars on an engagement with some children a few years back.

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

Kate and Meghan not interesting. That was just big wedding drama

Eugenie and Meghan that is the interesting relationship 😉

Ohhhhhh @Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum ? Do tell!

I found it shady that Meghan didn't explain what the conflict actually was, which makes me think that they were probably both being unreasonable.

Crying doesn't automatically make her the victim, nor does Kate sending flowers which could have just been a peace offering.

Also, W&K did not have the houses renovated and then fuck off abroad. If M&H had worked for 10 yrs as royals, the ££ on the house wouldn't have been an issue.

@ChocolateSantaisthebestkind, I fully accept it’s a scar - the point is the Palace are happy to tell the press when the stories about Kate are wrong but they wouldn’t do the same for Meghan.

@LittleBearPad

One was getting married in front of the world. The other was three weeks post-partum.

Let’s give them both a break!

This!

@ChocolateSantaisthebestkind

Also, W&K did not have the houses renovated and then fuck off abroad. If M&H had worked for 10 yrs as royals, the ££ on the house wouldn't have been an issue.

They are paying the costs back which you conveniently forget so whats your point now then? Or does this truth not suit your agenda

@ChocolateSantaisthebestkind, in regard to the house it was an issue while they were still working Royals. There were multiple articles about the cost before they said anything about leaving.

I’m not trying to say Meghan (or Harry) is blameless but there is no doubt she was attacked for doing things that the rest of the RF either had done in the past or were also doing at the time.

I had a baby in intensive care on the critical list and subsequently slumped into post natal depression (I now see in retrospect). I nevertheless didn't cry and take it out on bride to be SILs left right and centre.

No one would have blamed you if you had snapped at someone.
And there is no reason to think she “took it out” in Meghan “left right and centre”. Meghan said nothing of the sort.
And besides, Kate apologised. Can no one be just let off for an argument that they since apologised for, especially when the other person in that argument has said they’ve forgiven her?

I think that MM is so very self centered that it wouldn't even occur to her that in that situation someone else was upset. And I think you're spot on. Terrible thing to do when Kate has no right of reply

@Talia99 it was no different than the furore about W&K ripping out a new kitchen, rerouting the drive and refurbing the tennis court and adding an orangery at Amner and needing asbestos removed from KP 1A. @cyclingmad I know full well they repaid it, but that was after they said they weren't coming back, which is right IMO. Some people really do stretch the envelope to make it look like they were treated badly at every turn. Yes, they experienced flak, but so have other royals. K, D and F were ripped to shreds as teenagers with no media savvy. Yes MM had a hard time, but she had maturity and experience of the media to help her.

I am so sick of reading comments which equate to;

Meghan made Kate cry - bad Meghan
Kate made Meghan cry - bad Meghan she deserved it.

The fact that posters can't even be bothered to hide their demonisation of Meghan, and desperation to tie themselves in knots to find a way to blame Meghan for the behaviour she was subject to, is sickening.

If Kate had sat with Oprah there is no way that her comments would be so pored over, twisted, and disbelieved. Yet Meghan is never ever given the benefit of the doubt. Why is that?

@Talia99

The Palace put out a statement that Kate doesn’t use Botox and put out a statement attributing something in her hair to a ‘childhood scar’ (rather than extensions) but apparently couldn’t put out any statements about lies relating to Meghan because the Royals ‘never complain, never explain’. OK, then.

I have no idea what Meghan is like as a person but when multiple prominent members of the Black community call out constant racism against her in the tabloids, I believe them.

Also, Frogmore - Kate and William got a mansion in Norfolk with extensive grounds that cost £1.5 million to renovate before they moved in. Harry and Meghan got staff accommodation by a car park. If it took £2.5 million to do up, that’s at least partly due to the state it was in to begin with - converting a listed building back to a single family home from staff flats will be expensive.

Remind me again how much Andrew sold his house (gifted by the Queen on marriage) for. £15 million wasn’t it? If a second son of the Queen gets the freehold of a mansion with its own grounds worth that much (and there was no suggestion he needed to repay the money when he decided to sell up), it seems disingenuous to criticise how much Harry and Meghan’s property cost (and they have a long lease - they don’t own it). The Royals all have properties worth multi millions. Why are Harry and Meghan the only ones who get slated for it?

I remember that statement but I don’t believe it. She very clearly has botox. It’s very obvious. It’s not a criticism, it’s her choice, she looks lovely with it. Not sure why people feel the need to lie about botox.

@HalfTermHalfTerm

I’m sure I read yesterday that Kensington Palace did issue a statement saying that the story about Meghan making Kate cry wasn’t true?

I don't remember a statement, but I seem to remember that aides responded and said that the story (of Kate being made to cry) was untrue.

I find the original story plausible:

1. We know that Meghan is a perfectionist and under pressure. It tracks that she would be a bridezilla in the leadup to the wedding. (+ the tiara story)
2. Kate was post partum and hormonal. It makes sense that little things could make her cry.

I don't find Meghan's correction plausible. Kate has proven herself to be kind and down to earth.

apart from the whole Archie should have had a title so he had protection when none of the Wessex or York kids have government protection - it was withdrawn a while back

You think that's odd? I find it more odd that the despite the York girls having security until they were 18, AND the fact that there are neo Nazis currently in prison for making death threats to the Sussexes, that the Royal Family clearly didn't care about Archie enough to ensure he was safe.

Sure, they can supposedly only have security if they have a title, and those are the "rules", but given that H&M were told that the rules will be changed to ensure Archie doesn't become a Prince when Charles is King, they are clearly not immutable.

So which is it? Rules can be changed or not? It's hard to escape the fact that the RF will change the rules to prevent a mixed race baby from being a Prince, but won't change them to prevent him being murdered. Great priorities eh?