Meghan and Kate

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I only watched about 25 mins and then switched off. Am sure MM felt exactly as she described. But what I did feel was odd (apart from the whole Archie should have had a title so he had protection when none of the Wessex or York kids have government protection - it was withdrawn a while back) was her comment on the Kate situation. She said “Kate was upset. Kate made me cry. Yes it was about bridesmaid dresses.” Then a story came out 7 months later about how MM had made KM cry which was apparently false.

As soon as she relayed the story it made me think - but why was Kate upset? Had you (perhaps inadvertently) upset her? Maybe the story was true - you had made her cry. Obviously what was missing was the fact MM had been made to cry by Kate. But I don’t think the story that was being peddled was necessarily incorrect.

Did anyone else think the same?

What is upset? People can be upset and not emotional/teary. They may be upset and stomping around, pissed off with others, moody quiet, non communicative... for all we know Kate could have been upset about something totally non related to Megan at the dress fitting, she could have just been in a foul mood (omg shocking a royal can be in a bad mood, I know 🤔) which in turn upset a bride during her flower girl fitting.... Almost all brides are emotional before their big day, I’d hate to imagine what it would like to be the bride at a globally televised wedding with literally the world watching every single thing you do. I don’t cry much but I’d be a fucking wreck.

I don’t think the same. Why would Kate cry? She wasn’t stressed out with wedding plans. She had only to show up and be supportive of Megan’s choices for HER wedding

She was also heavily pregnant at the time. No doubt those pregnancy hormones played a role in her snapping and Meghan snapped due to the stress and pressure of the looming big day. Both completely normal reactions of both given the circumstances and not something anyone would bat an eyelid to were it two different women having this interaction. Quite why it became a news story...

@Irishgurl

Freddiefox Tue 09-Mar-21 19:05:02

The Wessex children are entitled to HRH titles as they are grand children of a monarch. At the moment Archie is not a grandchild of the monarch.

You can't be part of a system which place you on a pedestal above 'normal' people and then complain about the rules when they are not used in your favour.

Incidentally, I had my children in a private London hospital. Not the Portland but very similar. The level of care was incredible and covered all aspects of mental health and support at home. I am astonished that Meghan wasn't able to access mental health support through her maternity provision. Maternity staff are trained to look out for these types of problems as being pregnant can be so difficult for many women.

My comment thought was in regard to security rather than titles. I think the Sussex’s are more at risk than the Wessex’s

I think the situation did make Meghan cry must have been incredibly stressful, but agree with op I bet the situation made Kate cry too for the same reason! It wasn't just over a pair of tights it was over the world scrutiny of a major event in both of their lives.

I find it stressful organising my wedding in a pandemic and with only a few guests- this is on a whole other level of stress, most of us will never experience

Kate wasn't pregnant but she was postpartum but also had about a zillion times more support than the average woman, who doesn't rant at a bride to be at the drop of a hat. The issue was ostensibly to do with bare legs on six year olds 'not being appropriate' or some such absolute crap, but in reality was to do with a husband playing away and jealousy of her prey.

I can't blame either one of them tbh. High pressure wedding nerves and post baby hormones aren't going to exactly smooth a situation along.
A lot of families have pre wedding tiffs.

The press have shit stirred a normal event.

This is my first comment on the whole Harry/MM situation.

The whole thing is so awfully cringeworthy. I had no strong feelings towards MM when she appeared on the scene but I liked suits and thought it was no bad thing for Harry to meet a strong women with her own career and for the royal family to gain a little diversity.
I imagined it could go very well, they would have been fabulous ambassadors for charities and could have continued with Harry’s projects. They had a platform to do really good work and give so much back.

The first few ‘selfish’ things, like the extortionate renovations of frogmore cottage (at tax payers expense) I turned a blind eye to. So they wanted a beautiful family home...fine.
Who made who cry in the build up to a wedding is tedious. Kate was no doubt concerned as a mother and Megan was stressed as a bride...it happens they’ll get over it.

However, I CANNOT stand where this has gone. It’s so transparent what MM/Harry have tried to do;

‘We don’t want to be royals or have those obligations’ - but we will attempt to trade Mark and make money off the royal status wherever possible under our own terms... k thanks!

‘We want privacy and not to be hounded by photographers’ Oh but we are pregnant now here’s a giant photo shoot and we’ll be doing loads of cringe American chat show interviews

To me it seems MM just didn’t want to be in the shadow of will and Kate, so set out to make them the American version of Will and Kate, only the palace scuppered those plans blocking their royal status, trade Mark attempts and generally having non of it. So here they are doing trashy tv and pointing dramatic fingers at how awful the royals are.

@goodbyestranger

I thought Kate cried, or was more prone to crying, because she was still wobbly about William sleeping with Rose while she was pregnant with Louis. Allegedly. Also, she was - allegedly - jealous of the attention being given to the - again allegedly - much more attractive and charismatic Meghan. Obviously, not a good cocktail for Kate, to be completely fair to her, even without being postpartum.

I actually wondered if that was what Meghan was hinting about when she said Kate was upset anyway.

That would be pretty bitchy.

@PatchworkElmer

I’d love to know what’s so controversial about fairly standard flower girl dresses that it made EITHER of them cry, tbh.

There probably wasn't anything rock solid. On one side you've got a Stressed Bride, who is trying to get her head around a ROYAL WEDDING while getting absolutely roasted daily in the press and on the other side you have a post natal New Mother who was probably tired and very emotional. I think it was something really trivial but some dickhead decided it was juicy press fodder and it got blown out of all proportion.

Doh post partum not post natal 🤦🏽‍♀️

I agree bitchy but yes, that was it.

It sounds like a total non-issue to me and I think it's completely mad that it's headline news.

I cried at anything and everything when my children had just been born and I was quite emotional in the run up to my wedding too. I think it's quite possible that both of them cried although not necessarily in front of each other.

Being a member of the Royal Family does not sound good for any bodies mental health.

@Windchangeface

This is my first comment on the whole Harry/MM situation.

The whole thing is so awfully cringeworthy. I had no strong feelings towards MM when she appeared on the scene but I liked suits and thought it was no bad thing for Harry to meet a strong women with her own career and for the royal family to gain a little diversity.
I imagined it could go very well, they would have been fabulous ambassadors for charities and could have continued with Harry’s projects. They had a platform to do really good work and give so much back.

The first few ‘selfish’ things, like the extortionate renovations of frogmore cottage (at tax payers expense) I turned a blind eye to. So they wanted a beautiful family home...fine.
Who made who cry in the build up to a wedding is tedious. Kate was no doubt concerned as a mother and Megan was stressed as a bride...it happens they’ll get over it.

However, I CANNOT stand where this has gone. It’s so transparent what MM/Harry have tried to do;

‘We don’t want to be royals or have those obligations’ - but we will attempt to trade Mark and make money off the royal status wherever possible under our own terms... k thanks!

‘We want privacy and not to be hounded by photographers’ Oh but we are pregnant now here’s a giant photo shoot and we’ll be doing loads of cringe American chat show interviews

To me it seems MM just didn’t want to be in the shadow of will and Kate, so set out to make them the American version of Will and Kate, only the palace scuppered those plans blocking their royal status, trade Mark attempts and generally having non of it. So here they are doing trashy tv and pointing dramatic fingers at how awful the royals are.

Spot on @Windchangeface

I had a baby in intensive care on the critical list and subsequently slumped into post natal depression (I now see in retrospect). I nevertheless didn't cry and take it out on bride to be SILs left right and centre.

End of the day what was a small private matter that happened weeks ago qas leaked out and the matter leaked was false.

Thats the crux of the issue. And yes a simple statement tocaya thats false would of sufficed. But no apparently that's too much to ask for lets allow the press to continue to tear a person apart then realise that the person has already received enough press abuse and perhaps on this matter we should step in and provide a bit of support.

Honestly don't understand why the RF on this one occasion couldn't of put out a statement.

If they want to modernise they need to do so where they start showing support for each other publicly is that what they promote about mental health, talk to people, dont stay silent or hide it. Yet they themselves what to just stay silent.

I dont get it.

I think it was probably 6 of 1 and half a dozen. Kate was still PG during the wedding prep phase wasn't she? She was probably knackered and uncomfortable and worried about whether Charlotte and George would behave on National TV (Remember she had to 'check' him at Pippa's wedding and the pics were everywhere for a few days...) Meghan was probably overaught about the whole wedding circus and there was probably a misunderstanding on both sides. What Id think was bad was to bring it up in that interview, knowing that it would become conflated with the other allegations, when MM said that it had all been forgiven. I also think it wasn't leaked by anyone official from either office, I think a footman or other attendant probably heard it and thought they'd make a few extra bob.

it was really nice of Kate to send flowers and a note to try and smooth things over

She didn't smooth things over. She let the media run vile stories about Meghan knowing they were untrue. There was absolutely nothing to stop them issuing one of their endless "people close to the Cambridges have said" press briefings to correct that story.

They found the time to send PR puff pieces claiming they were taking charter flights whilst H&M were being criticised for a private flat. Their PR piece failed to mention the "charter" flights had been diverted for their convenience just like a regular private flight. The Cambridge office has missed few opportunities to "one up" when H&M were popular. Very reminiscent of Charles' office endlessly briefing against Diana when she was unsurprisingly more popular than her remote seeming husband with the fragile ego.

@goodbyestranger all women are different. Many would have been bawling in your situation and no one would have judged you had you snapped at the bride.

I do wonder what kind of statement Megan could possibly expect to be issued. I’m sure from the time that all the messaging was about there being no feud. Basically a denial of any fallout whatsoever.
A statement saying “this did happen but I think you’ll find it was Kate who made Megan cry” would have been utterly ridiculous and fuelled even more tabloid fodder.
It’s not how the royals work in general. They ignore a huge amount of nonsense written about them. If it is simply speculation it is left well alone, correcting only the outright inaccurate, which can be demonstrably proven as such and isn’t just someone’s opinion

@DateLoaf

I actually don’t think it’s a stupid thing to argue over bridesmaids or pageboys shoes at a wedding. If the kids who were part of the wedding party cried over their uncomfortable shoes on the day or then possibly refused to take part (or they were forced to take part while feeling miserable) their behaviour could have been reported on in the press which would be horrible. It’s a small example of the tensions there can be at weddings, no idea if or how it happened or not at this particular wedding but as a parent of young kids it’s the kind of thing you’d be trying to make as easy and fuss-free as possible on the day.

I agree with you.

If Kate who was already an experienced mother at the time knew that that Charlotte or one of the other flower girls would fuss or kick off in front of running cameras because of uncomfortable, scratchy, hurty feet then she had good point. One of the flower girls at a wedding I attended cried her eyes out as her mother had wanted her not to wear a vest under the dress. Well, the girl was NOT happy and threw a massive tantrum during the wedding ceremony .

If it was Meghan who insisted that the children wear no socks without listening to Katie then she was a selfish bridezilla.

It's so petty and catty to mention this in the interview especially as Kate had already apologised and sent flowers.

Funny how MM had to mention that that's exactly what she would do (apologise with flowers) if she knew she had hurt someone. It's so self congratulary. She sounded pretty peeved during the whole thing a bit like when siblings argue and tel indignantly how everything their brothers / sister's fault I know it too well

Like everything else to do with MM it's one big murky mess. The woman takes drama with her wherever she goes and doesn't care who she takes down.

I honestly think they had a silly spat over dresses. Doesn't mean either of them are nasty, manipulative bitches. I wish they tabloids weren't so obsessed with them.

What’s wrong with M&H trademarking things William and Kate did it as well.

I know that with Fergie the press ripped her apart not because of racism but because of her ostentatious behaviour. They were also not that nice about Chelsey IIRC. It's horrible but it's not always racism.

What is the relations between Eugenie and Meghan? Do they know each other independently from Harry?