Harry & Meghan - to hope the Royals answer back?

[DontReallyCareBut]

I think the allegations in the Oprah interview are serious enough that protocol should be breached and the Royals should have a voice to give their side too.

[trindi]

As it’s conceivable that someone simply said to Harry that he would need to be prepared for some difficult reactions from some members of the public / media if Archie was darker skinned, and comments on parentage. Which I don’t think is a horrendous thing to say, it’s unfortunate but sadly also accurate.

Ummm I still think this is a horrendous thing to say, to be honest.

All these posters dying to justify it by "oh me and DH frequently had a little giggle wondering if our baby would be a redhead" are being completely disingenuous.

It wasn't Harry and Meghan speculating, was it??

Can we all take a moment to imagine a thread on AIBU about the overbearing inlaws who have always had a problem with the OPs working class background, and the mother in law pulling her aside to politely (aka passive aggressively) enquire as to how the baby will talk and if she's going to buy baby clothes from ASDA? Would OP get support there, do you think?

Or hell, lets go a step further and imagine the AIBU thread where the OP has had years of subtle (and not so subtle) racism levied at her from all angles, and then the family wondering how black the baby is going to be.

It's either racism or it's racism dressed as faux-concern whatever way you look at it.

These are some of the whitest replies I've ever seen 😂 (and I'm a bloody white person!!)

[Slumpington]

“If that was the case then surely they would pay for royal protection for Archie?”

I guess I should watch the interview, but are H&M saying the RF wouldn’t pay for protection for Archie because he is mixed race and the ‘conversation’ is their evidence of the racism?

Maybe they just took the view that Harry has a shit load of money as it is and if he wanted more security he could pay for it himself as lines have to be drawn at a some point? I’ve seen a lot of discussion on other members of the RF having security paid for in the past but they’ve said publicly for ages that they wanted to slim down etc...

[OhCaptain]

I’m Irish so I have no interest in your royal family.

It’s odd though that people are so unwilling to believe bad of them when they’re bending over backwards defending their paedophile Prince.

And seemingly ignoring the allegedly pre-recorded reaction by “royal correspondents and experts” that was filmed two days before the interview dropped, disparaging everything that was said...

That’s two days before it was said...

I’m surprised at how many people are willing to swallow every spoon fed tidbit from the British press and ignore anything that comes straight from the horse’s mouth.

Bizarre. The whole thing is bizarre.

[MrPickles73]

I was a massive fan of MM in suits but the last 3 years .. they've decided to walk away which is fine and I admire the decision to do something different but at the same time they keep popping up? They are grown adults, multi millionaires who have left an unhappy situation. We're happy that they are now happy but why keep popping up? Will this be annual biannual?

[AnneShirleysNewDress]

Oprah has apparently said that PH wants to clarify that it wasn't the Queen or PP that made the remarks regarding race.

[TheSparkleJar]

They need to put out a statement about the fact that great grandchildren typically don’t get titles, at the very least.

In fairness, that wasn't her point, and I did have to watch it again to catch that. She was speaking about the recent changes that were made. There was a change made to give Charlotte and Louis prince and princess titles, and Meghan said she was told by Harry that "they" wanted to ensure Archie would not become a prince when Charles took the throne.

If Charles had four kids like his mother that would be reasonable to keep things streamlined. But he'll probably only have five grandchildren. William's kids with titles, Harry's kids not. And along with Charles apparently lying that he was financially supporting Harry and his family when he wasn't, I can understand particularly Harry having negative feelings about that.

[Slumpington]

But trindi my point isn’t that it would be ok if this is what was said. I agree with your post generally, it’s all about the context and the relationships involved.

My point is that we don’t know what was said, or the context.

H&M have chosen not to give any more information and it feels to me like a very deliberate choice, so that the public and media will assume the worst.

[RainingBatsAndFrogs]

Talk about defensive!

Any number of tortuous explanations as to how it might not have been racist at all, but just (a black woman's) 'sensitivity' or a woman who is a 'trouble maker'.

She moved into a family who had no other family members of colour, that ridiculous Princess Michael who wore a brooch featuring a black caricature, but no, a black woman cannot recognise racism when she sees it....

I haven't seen the interview yet but a black Canadian friend of mine has , and she is shocked. It feels very embarrassing to have this associated with our country at state level - incl johnson and his quoting Kipling to the wrong audience etc etc.

[MrPickles73]

thesparklejar I thought the deal was they had to be self funding?

[MissyB1]

I don’t like Prince Charles one little bit - not least because of how he treated Diana. But even I can understand why he stopped taking Harry’s calls. His son was having tantrums and his dil was behaving like a drama queen. I imagine it felt very draining. Just like we have to ignore naughty toddlers when they are attention seeking, sometimes we also have to distance ourselves from our adult kids when they behave badly.

[BlackBrowedAlbatross]

I haven't seen the interview but can someone correct me about the security thing - I thought they had security while they were living at Frogmore, but the problem arose when they stopped working as royals, so the taxpayer could no longer be expected to pay for it? And then that was exacerbated by them moving countries? And then they had a deal with Charles where he agreed to fund it short term until they were financially independent? What is it that they are complaining about?

[MrPickles73]

This was understanding too

[MrPickles73]

Also I understood PC was trying to slim down the number of royals. I thought Eugenie and B have to find themselves now?

[MrPickles73]

I think due to the Jeffrey Epstein situation Prince Andrew has been shuffled out of sight...

[ajandjjmum]

@AnneShirleysNewDress

Oprah has apparently said that PH wants to clarify that it wasn't the Queen or PP that made the remarks regarding race.

So now Oprah is their new spokesperson?

[Stratfordplace]

They had Royal Protection officers when they were in Vancouver. In fairness, there was concerns about the cost and who would pay. The PO were being flown out in shifts and needed time off to see their families. I believe the Canadians refused to pay the cost?

[longwayoff]

Excellent suggestion, you should be a royal advisor. "Monarchy : the Bunfight".

[HmmmmmmInteresting]

@Chrissybobble

MM is a trouble maker, only interested in making as much money as she possibly can,while she can.I feel sorry for Harry (her little sheep )who looks totally embarrassed by the whole escapade.Was this the only solution? She is giving the example of just give up,a terrible role model.Good riddance to both of them.

'Harry looks embarrassed'

You need to go to Specsavers. He looked proud and happy

[Stratfordplace]

I read earlier that they wanted a wing in Windsor Castle and had asked to move in. Frogmore cottage must have been hugely disappointing

[BlackBrowedAlbatross]

@Stratfordplace

They had Royal Protection officers when they were in Vancouver. In fairness, there was concerns about the cost and who would pay. The PO were being flown out in shifts and needed time off to see their families. I believe the Canadians refused to pay the cost?

But surely they weren't expecting Canadian taxpayers to fund their security? Or British taxpayers, given that they had chosen to give up their roles as working Royals and had also chosen to leave the UK?

[Slumpington]

@RainingBatsAndFrogs

Talk about defensive!

Any number of tortuous explanations as to how it might not have been racist at all, but just (a black woman's) 'sensitivity' or a woman who is a 'trouble maker'.

She moved into a family who had no other family members of colour, that ridiculous Princess Michael who wore a brooch featuring a black caricature, but no, a black woman cannot recognise racism when she sees it....

I haven't seen the interview yet but a black Canadian friend of mine has , and she is shocked. It feels very embarrassing to have this associated with our country at state level - incl johnson and his quoting Kipling to the wrong audience etc etc.

Aargh. How can anyone say ‘it’ was or wasn’t racist. We don’t know in enough detail what ‘it’ was. It was a conversation or comment which referenced skin colour, by a person unknown.

Having said that I agree the RF appear to be a dysfunctional and unpleasant groups of individuals, and wouldn’t be surprised if it was racist. I too am pretty embarrassed to be associated with the whole lot of them.

[MrPickles73]

Yes I thought canadian taxpayers gave it the thumbs down?

[Frubecube]

I do hope for all of their sakes that at some time they can reconcile, privately, and so they can have a relationship with the family members they want to do so with (not all families are close with everyone). Sadly I doubt it, but it's a shame, and that the allegations are taken seriously and investigated, again, in private and following an impartial person reviewing them. This won't happen as it sounds like it was a conversation that wasn't recorded, but amid the drama are people's lives.

[trindi]

My point is that we don’t know what was said, or the context.

But we all know the context, just by being exposed to the UK media.

We might not know the context of the exact conversation, but surely whoever had the conversation can't have been blind to the racism Meghan had been exposed to in the press since day 1, you know?

It's like... people can talk about the redhead thing but if the mother had been "bullied" for having red hair her entire life, then that IS the context, or at least enough context for any logical person to know that speculation isn't great.

"I see you and your side of the family are all morbidly obese, I wonder if your baby is going to be morbidly obese?" From the perfectly thin size 8 mother in law who makes a big deal of how little she eats and how teeny tiny she is.

(I'm using "morbidly obese" here because in general it's viewed by society as being somehow less-than, and that's EXACTLY how Meghan has been treated, wether by the RF or by the press who really knows, but everyone is aware of it).

[MrPickles73]

There will be heaps of millionaires and billionaires in london and the states who pay for their own security