Harry and Meghan - everyone still being respectful please

[Oldbutstillgotit]

Lots still to talk about .

I've ordered it from library - don't think it's something I'd want to put on the shelf but it looks worth a read (bought DM specially today - the power of advertising eh!).

Doubt if I will buy it unless I see it in a charity shop however I will read the excerpts in the DM . Good one today .

You do you realize you are talking to a UK audience here, right?

BIPOC is commonly used in the UK. It's the preferred/most frequently used term within my industry, which is a UK industry. But what a surprise that the Hate Brigade take offence over black and other ethnic minority people using their own terminology for themselves.

Not ready? Like when you've made a complete tit of yourself on a works night out and don't "feel ready" to go into work on the following Monday
No, it's more like when you quit a really shitty toxic job with a boss who treats you like crap, score a much much better job with double the salary, then laughingly turn down their pity-invitation to the staff Christmas party on the grounds you're "not ready" to socialise with your former co-workers again yet, when really it's because you're living your best life and have barely given them a second thought.

I doubt Harry and Meghan will ever return to the UK apart from brief trips, and there's not a single thing in the world that can make them. They can do whatever the fuck they like now. I don't know what's more hilarious, how enraged that makes the RF and the tabloids, or how enraged that makes the Hate Brigade.

Do we think that we can maybe be respectful on this thread? (just saying!!!!) I don't believe that there is a "Hate Brigade" on here and that does seem a very unkind expression IMO.

I am watching "The Crown" at the moment and it seems that throughout the years, some royals have cocked up, one way or another. I am fascinated about it all. And so it continues.....

@Iknowthingsthatwillhappen

Do we think that we can maybe be respectful on this thread? (just saying!!!!) I don't believe that there is a "Hate Brigade" on here and that does seem a very unkind expression IMO.

Yes I had hoped we had moved on from that. Slightly ironic to insult others as the Hate Brigade...

@Iknowthingsthatwillhappen

I am watching "The Crown" at the moment and it seems that throughout the years, some royals have cocked up, one way or another. I am fascinated about it all. And so it continues.....

Some much more spectacularly than others as well but at least centuries ago the narrative could be controlled with beheadings and rewriting history. Not so easy these days.

BIPOC. Just looked it up. Black, indigenous, people of colour.

I’m guessing indigenous refers to native white citizens. How lovely to have such an inclusive term.

@wufti 😂 😂 😂

Hate Brigade ? @froggygoneacourting I don’t think anyone on here hates H and M . Disappointed ? Yes. Annoyed ? Yes . Bewildered? Yes. Hate ? No .
Don’t stir things up .

If H isn't planning to return to the U.K. because it's treated him and his dw so badly, it would seem logical not to use the
Sussex title. That would look hypocritical and we know H hates that.

BIPOC is a term used in countries which have an indigenous population of colour. Why would it be used in the UK?

Hate Brigade? I'm not sure how many times I need to explain that just because I have an interest in how things pan out for H&M after their flouncy departure from the UK it does not mean I hate them. I don't hate anyone.

As for speculation about whether they return to the UK for Christmas or any other time - what would be the point? If the current regulations stay in place they wouldn't be able to see anyone anyway. Frankly, if I were a member of the RF I'm not sure I'd want to see them - I'd be concerned that my every move and comment would be recorded for use in Scobie's next fawning blockbuster. Especially after a few festive sherries

The UK does not have an indigenous non-white population so the term BIPOC makes no sense. I know it sounds like a little thing to comment on, but it's example of how concepts designed in the US are being mindlessly plonked onto the UK landscape where issues about things like race can often be rather different, something which H&M seem to do a lot as well (although to my knowledge they have never used the term BIPOC itself.

It's the preferred/most frequently used term within my industry, which is a UK industry.

Then your organization is pretty dim, frankly (or at least, whoever was in charge of that particular decision is). Do they actually engage their brains when deciding which terms to use, or do they just go by a system of "What are the MOST woke people on Twitter currently bandying about?"

Given that the "B" for "black" is already included within "POC," and in most contexts the "I" for "indigenous" is also included within "POC" as well," it's not clear why the term BIPOC had to be invented in the first place.

What possible purpose does it serve that POC did not serve?

It's a good example of people deliberately using language to mystify others, and to signal that they form a kind of extra-specially knowledgable and enlightened group of people compared with all the hopeless plebs who are still using the term that was current last year.

agree greenteafiend.

BIPOC is commonly used in the UK. It's the preferred/most frequently used term within my industry, which is a UK industry. But what a surprise that the Hate Brigade take offence over black and other ethnic minority people using their own terminology for themselves.
@froggygoneacourting

I've never once heard this term (thanks for the definition pp) , and I AM a person of colour, mostly black.
The term most commonly used in the uk is BAME. That's actually the official term used by government agencies, media, etc. I don't know what industry you're in but it must be very niche. Or not British at all seeing as the inclusion of "indigenous" makes no sense here.

@froggygoneacourting
I doubt Harry and Meghan will ever return to the UK apart from brief trips, and there's not a single thing in the world that can make them.
That sounds a perfect outcome to me.

Looks like H might have a tax issue if he stays much longer in the US

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8801963/Prince-Harry-faces-monumental-tax-bill-unless-takes-break-Los-Angeles-mansion.html

@Oldbutstillgotit

Looks like H might have a tax issue if he stays much longer in the US

Surely, although undeserved, he will be on a diplomatic visa (at least until his 12 months is up)?

Ah, yes, the constant introducing of new terms so that any hapless individual who uses the one from last week can be beaten with a stick. Interesting discussion on the Feminist boards atm about the theory of rebranding words to sort the enlightened from the knuckle-dragging old Neanderthals. I agree it is particularly galling to be reprimanded for using a perfectly normal word or phrase because in the US it means something different, ie carries insulting connotations.

Word usage changes over time . I do not want some self-appointed holier than thou vigilante telling me I can’t use a word because they decided yesterday that it was offensive. A stroller to me is someone out for a stroll, not a pushchair (silly example but just demonstrating my point).

@IrmaFayLear - you've absolutely hit the nail on the head. Language usage does change and we do have to moderate our words and be sensible, but just adopting nonsensical terms and berating others is a power trip. BIPOC makes no sense in the UK, and in schools we use the term BAME. I am not racist if I don't use the current fashionable US term.

@IrmaFayLear

Ah, yes, the constant introducing of new terms so that any hapless individual who uses the one from last week can be beaten with a stick. Interesting discussion on the Feminist boards atm about the theory of rebranding words to sort the enlightened from the knuckle-dragging old Neanderthals. I agree it is particularly galling to be reprimanded for using a perfectly normal word or phrase because in the US it means something different, ie carries insulting connotations.

Word usage changes over time . I do not want some self-appointed holier than thou vigilante telling me I can’t use a word because they decided yesterday that it was offensive. A stroller to me is someone out for a stroll, not a pushchair (silly example but just demonstrating my point).

What an excellent post this is. Hope Mumsnet HQ take note..............