Harry and Meghan - everyone still being respectful please

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Lots still to talk about .

Agreed, it’s an odd thing to even comment on let alone be delightfully surprised.

Whilst I don’t think the judge for the ANL hearing is any way biased, it is clear he isn’t impressed by titles or people using the court system for frivolous purposes. Has Meghan actually been involved in a genuine legal case before? I can’t help but think none of this is following her plan.

Pee troll 😂😂

They would be mad not to do a documentary. Let's be honest this is what people would tune into watch, like them or loathe them people talk about them and are interested in them.

I have heard she is already making a behind the scenes documentary about the court case against the Mail on Sunday. Of course it won't be pitched as reality TV - it will be a 'serious piece of documentary film making' depicting their courage in speaking truth to power and trying eradicate 'click bait' culture or some such. It will be worthy.

Now that Prince William had bagged David Attenborough, they might have to make to with Greta for the environment stuff. Or maybe a joint think with Leo Dicaprio?

I have just read that H and M are going to focus on toxic behaviour on- line . How many other things are they going to focus on ?
M was interviewed and there is an interesting assessment by a body language expert

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/meghan-markle-defensive-displaying-signs-22764967.amp

Missing the point but I like her shirt .

@Oldbutstillgotit

Missing the point but I like her shirt .

I'd say she needs a good haircut

@Oldbutstillgotit

Missing the point but I like her shirt .

That more casual style really suits her. Like the jeans and shirt combo at Invictus.

Very nice shirt, agreed. It is interesting that she reads as bewildered and angry, is that because she can't understand criticism of her and her beliefs? I think she is genuinely concerned about online bullying etc but can't seem to grasp that you can dislike a view or be critical of a person without it meaning you are a bully. She is perfectly comfortable giving her opinions on things she isn't keen on. the in-laws

Also, I was actually behind her tackling the media in the beginning, but how she has gone about it is jaw dropping. She is heading for a serious fall.

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I have just read that H and M are going to focus on toxic behaviour on- line . How many other things are they going to focus on ? M was interviewed and there is an interesting assessment by a body language expert

And are they going to focus on it in the same way they have previously focused on other things eg give a talk about it and say it’s their new focus and then move onto something else that’s a focal point in the media the next week?

@Oldbutstillgotit

I have just read that H and M are going to focus on toxic behaviour on- line . How many other things are they going to focus on ? M was interviewed and there is an interesting assessment by a body language expert

Hope they denounce the worse excesses of parts of the Sussex Squad - would be a good place to start and show concrete intention rather than just platitudes.

I agree with Sunbathing. They throw themselves behind something 110% until the next flavour of the month bandwagon comes along and then they jump on that. The changes of direction are nausea inducing.

M really rocks the shirt and trousers look. I'm very envious because if I wear a blouse and slacks I end up looking like Sandi Toksvig (no offence to ST, but it's not a look that favours the short and short-waisted...).

I expect old Scobie will be thrown under the bus. Or a "friend" will be cited who gave it all away but has to remain anonymous.

I'm not an MM fan but she's always nailed casual looks.

Remember how they were going to be the single point of contact to disseminate information about covid? What happened to that?

Well remembered @ StartupRepair. Would have been handy today as I am waiting for Covid test result !

@StartupRepair

Remember how they were going to be the single point of contact to disseminate information about covid? What happened to that?

I had forgotten all about that to the point that I thought you must have posted on the wrong thread

So many things they have said they are going to do it is hard to keep up.

Hello! Lurker and very occasional contributor to this thread here. I have something to say following MM's most recent appearance (on DM website, sorry). In it, she says she takes no notice of either criticism or praise. Which sounds like a really good idea for a peaceful life, as she says, except it does seem to indicate a quite remarkable lack of self-reflection. I mean I am criticised in my job (and life!) ALL THE TIME and it hurts and sometimes it feels inaccurate but I do feel that getting better at what I do and even being a slightly better person does require being prepared to listen at least to feedback, even if I don't respond.

Anyway, I have been asking myself some questions about what it is about MM that I find so challenging. One of the things I have realised is that I find her self-belief quite confronting. So then I had to ask myself whether that was because she is a woman (and an ethnic minority). And I thought, possibly yes - I think many of us have been socialised into feeling quite uncomfortable around who women present with such utter confidence, we just don't expect it. I have to admit that I probably do have that bias in myself and need to work on it.

But the thing is, that's not all. Because the trouble is, her self-belief doesn't seem to have a very solid foundation in the sense that she is in any way an expert on the matters she speaks. Which takes us back to humility, as she appears (I may be wrong) to have an absolutely fascinating lack of humility about that and gives off a sense that it is her complete right to be heard .... based on what? I think that would look bad for anybody.

Anyway, ultimately I think a tiny bit of humility is what I am missing and I don't in any way mean humility in the sense of being humble as a result of her background and ethnicity but the kind of humility we ALL should have, at times, especially if we enjoy any sort of privilege.

It's interesting though as it seems that younger people don't seem to mind that which makes me think that this is a generational thing, at least in part?

@inexcessive what a brilliant post. Indeed, being able to take criticism is an important part of personal development. I think having humility is too. You can learn a lot by admitting you're not good at or an expert in some things and be willing to give credit to and learn from people who are. Of course, there are plenty of people who go on long in life like MM, not just youngsters. Honestly my MIL is like that but because she's so sure of herself that she's gone through life unchallenged.

Very perceptive, inexcessive .

I can’t bear smug or “full of themselves” people, and I agree that for the last few decades there has been all this exhorting to believe in yourself, and anyone can do anything, and love yourself etc etc, which doesn’t sit quite right without an equal dose of realism.

I especially agree with your take on MM’s taking no notice of criticism. Perhaps this is particularly relevant for actors who do seem to have an inflated opinion of themselves and out of necessity have super-thick skins.

@StartupRepair

Remember how they were going to be the single point of contact to disseminate information about covid? What happened to that?

I had completely forgotten about that!

They seem to put their fingers in so many (flavour of the month) pies but it all comes to naught in the end.

It doesn’t reflect very well on them.

Empty vessels make the loudest peep is what springs to mind with a lot of people in the public eye these days. This need to be heard by everyone and applauded, even when you're talking a load of guff.

@LoisWilkersonslastnerve

Empty vessels make the loudest peep is what springs to mind with a lot of people in the public eye these days. This need to be heard by everyone and applauded, even when you're talking a load of guff.

How true Lois

I don’t think anyone likes people they perceive as smug. But most people don’t bang on about it, tearing the so called perceived smug person down on MN (well, unless it is their MIL 😃)

I mean, I find my neighbour unbearably smug, but I just roll my eyes and get on with it. I’m sure she has her good points too. I wouldn’t tear her down and scrutinise her actions and pretend to guess her motivations. That would be odd behaviour!

Similarly, I find loads of political and movie celebs smug and opinionated, lacking self awareness. But I wouldn’t participate in 200 threads about it. That would be OTT and obsessive.

So why this persistent criticism of MM? I feel there are elements of “she should know her place” as a woman and she should doubly “know her place” as a mixed race woman. And I think, in part, her perceived smugness and perceived hypocrisy seem to irritate people so much (I mean, newsflash - political/celeb is smug and hypocritical -yawn!)

We all have biases and internalise social misogyny and racism. So no harm in us having a little humility about our own beliefs and behaviour and willingness to accept that we too don’t always come from a “pure” or self reflective place!

‘Empty’ vessels making noise can also be applicable for those who constantly and vocally criticise her on multiple threads, no? I mean we all have our life experiences and to call anyone an empty vessel is quite derogatory and dismissive. And it is worth reflecting why we would be so dismissive of another woman’s life experiences