Harry and Meghan - everyone still being respectful please

[Oldbutstillgotit]

Lots still to talk about .

I hadn’t plan to post again for a least quite a while, but I thought I would share a thought that struck me...

I believe that it is insanely difficult to moderate these threads, especially as emotions run high. I also think that unless MNHQ allocates the same mod and that mod follows the thread constantly, it will be hard to have a perfect moderation. I doubt that H&M are important enough to go through that effort. I am grateful that the discussion is hosted at all, even if I believe that it is quite toxic at the moment.

How about that all posters who feel that they have been personally attacked or misinterpreted takes screenshots of the evidence of this? This includes misinterpretations and unfounded accusations of racism. The screen shot need to include poster name, time and date.

Once a collection of about 10 instances of personal attacks from the same poster is reached, this could be sent in an email to MNHQ. The email should include as a separate file all other posters who have made similar attacks in case there is a name change going on.

This will help MNHQ to determine if any posters are systematically being abusive to other posters or indeed seeing racism everywhere. It may also be helpful for MNHQ if they are aware that a certain poster consider the very existence of this threads racist. That poster may take a unreasonably hard stance against innocent comments.

For the avoidance of doubt, I think it is fair to discuss H&M and to criticise or defend their actions. They are public figures with a high profile court case and a Netflix deal. Abuse against them or any racism is of course unjustifiable.

@PainyRuddles

Quite honestly, Mumsnet needs to give their head a wobble. The deletions of NoFox last night, were posts that were talking sense, in a non offensive manner.

The moderating needs to be consistant, which it clearly is not. People are being deleted and banned for nothing more than stating facts, while certain people, orchestrating huge wall of text post attacks on the Middletons, remain unchallenged, and undeleted.

Shocking, appalling moderating. Surely MNHQ have seen the amount of support that NoFox had last night after her eloquent, yet deleted post. Does that not tell them something, that perhaps, their decision making is falling short of the standards it should be.

Just my tuppence, of course!

I agree entirely

@MoreHippoThanPenguin

I hadn’t plan to post again for a least quite a while, but I thought I would share a thought that struck me...

I believe that it is insanely difficult to moderate these threads, especially as emotions run high. I also think that unless MNHQ allocates the same mod and that mod follows the thread constantly, it will be hard to have a perfect moderation. I doubt that H&M are important enough to go through that effort. I am grateful that the discussion is hosted at all, even if I believe that it is quite toxic at the moment.

How about that all posters who feel that they have been personally attacked or misinterpreted takes screenshots of the evidence of this? This includes misinterpretations and unfounded accusations of racism. The screen shot need to include poster name, time and date.

Once a collection of about 10 instances of personal attacks from the same poster is reached, this could be sent in an email to MNHQ. The email should include as a separate file all other posters who have made similar attacks in case there is a name change going on.

This will help MNHQ to determine if any posters are systematically being abusive to other posters or indeed seeing racism everywhere. It may also be helpful for MNHQ if they are aware that a certain poster consider the very existence of this threads racist. That poster may take a unreasonably hard stance against innocent comments.

For the avoidance of doubt, I think it is fair to discuss H&M and to criticise or defend their actions. They are public figures with a high profile court case and a Netflix deal. Abuse against them or any racism is of course unjustifiable.

Excellent idea.

@PainyRuddles

Quite honestly, Mumsnet needs to give their head a wobble. The deletions of NoFox last night, were posts that were talking sense, in a non offensive manner.

The moderating needs to be consistant, which it clearly is not. People are being deleted and banned for nothing more than stating facts, while certain people, orchestrating huge wall of text post attacks on the Middletons, remain unchallenged, and undeleted.

Shocking, appalling moderating. Surely MNHQ have seen the amount of support that NoFox had last night after her eloquent, yet deleted post. Does that not tell them something, that perhaps, their decision making is falling short of the standards it should be.

Just my tuppence, of course!

Absolutely!

I believe that it is insanely difficult to moderate these threads, especially as emotions run high. I also think that unless MNHQ allocates the same mod and that mod follows the thread constantly, it will be hard to have a perfect moderation.

I agree to some extent, but MN does have TGs to which they constantly refer, so they should be of some help. If they aren't, that begs the question whether they need reviewing. I think, for example, that it's high time they addressed their considerable bullying and harassment problem, as evidenced on these threads.

I'd find it helpful to see any deleted post replaced by a clear and specific explanation of which guideline(s) were crossed. I also think when people are banned they deserve an explanation, and an opportunity to appeal. It has happened unfairly on too many occasions.

If it ask me there's a few power crazed wokesters up there in MNHQ being allowed to run riot. Since when is it ok for someone to be accused of racism or indeed any other kind of bigotry and then delete and ban them for defending themselves?

According to Sky News a judge has ruled that the DM can rely on Finding Freedom as evidence in defending MM's case against them. It is only a headline at the moment so no idea what exactly the judge has said.

I always find their wording denying involvement in FF to be so carefully constructed. Similar with their QC’s denial in court today. Makes you wonder why not issue an outright denial. Or why not sue given it’s such an infringement on their privacy?

@meercat23

According to Sky News a judge has ruled that the DM can rely on Finding Freedom as evidence in defending MM's case against them. It is only a headline at the moment so no idea what exactly the judge has said.

I was reading yesterday that the judge agreeing was pretty much a foregone conclusion but good to see it has been confirmed.

When F2F was being widely publicised as being there side of the story not a word from them. Why not.

Hurrah at latest news re FF

@MNHQ any chance of you shedding some light on the NoFix situation? Your moderation on this thread is reflecting really badly on you.

Surely if they really had no involvement with Finding Freedom, they would sue. As they have done with every other tiny incident.
The fact they haven’t speaks volumes. Imo.

I guess “someone” makes it their business to report posts and if a moderator receives a slew of them then they feel pressured to take action.

I agree with a pp that MN should keep a log of complainers so that they can see if a particular poster (including name changes) is repeatedly reporting posts unnecessarily or malevolently.

@Viviennemary

When F2F was being widely publicised as being there side of the story not a word from them. Why not.

Yes especially as the media were portraying it as them setting the record straight. Surely that would have been the time to issue a denial.

Only distancing started once the book was criticised and they weren’t coming out well from the stories like Kate didn’t give Meghan a lift to the shops shocker.

I think questions of moderation should be asked in the site stuff section.

According to Sky News a judge has ruled that the DM can rely on Finding Freedom as evidence in defending MM's case against them. It is only a headline at the moment so no idea what exactly the judge has said

So if this is right, there'll not only be questions around what MM knew about the "5 friends" approaching People magazine, but about Scobie's sources too?
And this after the judge's warping remarks about how fast he accessed her court documents?

It's just not going very well is it ...

@thefatladyscreams

I always find their wording denying involvement in FF to be so carefully constructed. Similar with their QC’s denial in court today. Makes you wonder why not issue an outright denial. Or why not sue given it’s such an infringement on their privacy?

I have always wondered how the authors knew such pertinent details, such as the colour range rover Harry drove Meghan to the portland in, and other such small details, that could honestly only have came from either the couple themselves, or a diary, notes, or something similar.

I mean, how many of us would say something to our friends like "Oh Dave drove Mum and I, to the hospital, in our dark blue range rover, dont you know".

She will have to withdraw now surely?

@Puzzledandpissedoff

*According to Sky News a judge has ruled that the DM can rely on Finding Freedom as evidence in defending MM's case against them. It is only a headline at the moment so no idea what exactly the judge has said*

So if this is right, there'll not only be questions around what MM knew about the "5 friends" approaching People magazine, but about Scobie's sources too?
And this after the judge's warping remarks about how fast he accessed her court documents?

It's just not going very well is it ...

Hopefully also Carolyn’s sources and knowledge because she has been very quiet so far.

If MM drops the case ( as she surely should) I reckon she will claim that the U.K. media bullied her and it will reinforce her belief that she hasn’t been treated fairly the RF are unsupportive etc .
I honestly don’t know why she decided to pursue this case . Can anyone truly believe MM will attend in person ?

@Oldbutstillgotit

If MM drops the case ( as she surely should) I reckon she will claim that the U.K. media bullied her and it will reinforce her belief that she hasn’t been treated fairly the RF are unsupportive etc . I honestly don’t know why she decided to pursue this case . Can anyone truly believe MM will attend in person ?

I honestly can’t see how she can think going ahead is going to do anything positive for her. However, I do hope she does and we get the full ten day court case. Perhaps then, if we get answers direct from MM, it will answer some of the time questions/statements raised on here.

Yes, that's a point ... where the heck IS Carolyn in all this??

And that should have said the judge's waspish remarks, not warping ones

I agree with a pp that MN should keep a log of complainers so that they can see if a particular poster (including name changes) is repeatedly reporting posts unnecessarily or malevolently.

I completely agree. I received an email from MNHQ just yesterday, telling me that they'd reinstated a deleted post of mine from the last thread (detailing my experiences in the entertainment industry and my experiences working with Netflix), and confirming that it had been reported maliciously and falsely.

This is not the first time they've confirmed that my posts defending Meghan are being subject to malicious mass-false reporting.

I was also happy to see MNHQ post confirming that one of the Meghan bashers who was engaging in personal abuse of me and other posters, was a banned troll pretending to be a new poster.

Certain posters on the 'banned' forum have openly bragged about lying and attempting to manipulate MNHQ via malicious abuse of the report system.

Really glad someone else agrees that it's a problem.

It seems both “sides” are at it, derailing what should be just a bit of a gossipy chat.