Harry and Meghan, the one where every poster respects each other.

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www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8750345/Prince-Harry-joined-helicopter-club-California-Meghan-Archie-trips.html

That's because Fergie has relied on the royals for money, accommodation, being bailed out, status and more. She has also written three autobiographies.

Here's an article where Ingrid Seward, family friend to the Yorks, defends Sarah with inside quotes from the York women with Beatrice saying that Fegie is the "most misunderstood woman in the world."

Although I do agree that Fergie was treated badly by the press

"That's because Fergie has relied on the royals for money, accommodation, being bailed out" *

*Let's not forget that Epstein bailed her out too.

I have only seen a couple of posters say that.
so you can't lump all pro M posters under that.

I've been posting and lurking on these threads since the first one. It was/is a recurrent theme and a "couple" - you mean two, three? No, it was many more than that. It's been the overriding line of attack from those who are pro Megan towards those who criticise her on these threads. I know with all the deleted threads you may have missed some content but let's not rewrite history.

@Oldbutstillgotit

@ Roussette for what it’s worth I don’t think Sarah should have remained a Duchess but I understand the reasons . However to the best of my knowledge, Sarah has never complained publicly about her lot or the RF. she has never collaborated with anyone writing a book that is basically a whinge fest . She is always respectful in particular regarding HM. I don’t know why people keep being up Andrew . I think we are agreed he is a loathsome person however he has not ( yet) bern convicted of any crimes . If/ when he is I expect HM to take action.

That's brilliant Have you forgotten Fergie flogging access to her delightful ex husband for $500000? And insisting on a cash payment upfront of $40000? So very respectful of her Maj.

@Roussette

Needy drip? Nice

No it isn't very nice but sadly accurate and tbh quite tame.

How can he throw his whole family under the bus for Netflix fame? So what if their photos weren't on the Queen's desk when she did her speech? Yes he's led a very privileged life, no doubt surrounded by servants and yes people but the tragedy of losing his mother would, I'd have thought, taught him the importance of cherishing other close family members. But nope, they've got their sights set on being the Oprahs of Netflix. Very worthy.

@Roussette - Sarah Ferguson and all her bailouts indeed. Epstein money. It's absolutely shameless. If she's the" most misunderstood woman in the world " then her daughters have been very sheltered.

Sadly accurate in your eyes maybe. Don't doubt that.

Not in everyone's. I find the awful names he's called childish to be honest.

He's not throwing his whole family under the bus for Netflix fame, they're being independent and not taking money from the public purse which is exactly what you Anti MMers wanted! Strange now he's doing that you're up in arms about it.

Whatever you say I cannot come over to your side of total loathing of him and her. I'm not going to post exactly what I want to in detail, because I don't want every other word picked apart and gone over like it has on previous threads ad infinitum.

You loathe them, find them objectionable in every which way. I don't. I'm more indifferent than anything and I think they have been treated unfairly at times.
And yes, they've been shortsighted and ridiculous at times
I also think they will settle down and do their own thing and hopefully all this will die down. And when the Queen isn't around, and PC slims down the monarchy, they might well be looked at as starting the ball rolling.

You talking of Oprah... they haven't been on it, unlike Sarah

Maireas
It says something for the daughters that they stick up for their mother I suppose. That's about all I can say on it!

F - Have you finally found a citation where Harry and Meghan are quoted as saying they're leaving because they want a quiet life/privacy/to be away from cameras?

S - Harry's own words, from his speech to Sentabale in January (which I have posted before):
"I hope that helps you understand what it had to come to, that I would step my family back from all I have ever known, to take a step forward into what I hope can be a more peaceful life"

How is producing for Netflix, doing charity work, supporting themselves and living in their private house in sunny California not a peaceful life? They didn't say they would disappear.

He's not throwing his whole family under the bus for Netflix fame, they're being independent and not taking money from the public purse which is exactly what you Anti MMers wanted! Strange now he's doing that you're up in arms about it.

Whether he is throwing his family under the bus or not will depend on what kind of content they produce or allow their names to be linked to. If they produce content that is linked to climate change, Africa, equality/diversity, mental health or the other issues they are interested in they I agree that would not be throwing the family under a bus.

If they produce content that is about the family and involves talking about other family members then that could/would be construed negatively. We will have to wait and see what they come up with.

I do tend to think that Netflix might be more interested in the family stuff than the rest but time will tell.

I agree meercat

Let's see.

'He's not throwing his whole family under the bus for Netflix fame, they're being independent and not taking money from the public purse which is exactly what you Anti MMers wanted! Strange now he's doing that you're up in arms about it.'

Harry started throwing his family under the bus with their tabloid trash book with all his petty gripes. Complaining about William daring to say 'this girl' yet he then makes a prat of himself by calling Angela Kelly 'this woman'. He is just a writhing mass of contradictions.

Of course being independent is a good thing and not being reliant on Daddy but the thing is they have signed a TV deal because of their links to the royal family. They are cashing in on it. Now if they'd say, got jobs and earned their livings relatively privately away from celebdom that would be admirable. They are exploiting the RF which is fine to a point, as we've said others have done so but this pair pretend they are different. They aren't. Just money grabbing, fickle and shallow.

No answer to any of that.
don't agree with it all, needless to say

He's Harry, Prince Charles's son. He doesn't have much choice in that does he?. That will always go before him whatever he does.

Perhaps he ought to go to South America and have a face transplant so no one will know who he is 😂

They've exploited no one and why should they have to earn their living privately? Lots of mumsnet commenters were saying they wouldn't be able to afford a house, security, pay off Frogmore Cottage and other things. They took care of that.

They aren't going to disappear because some people hate them - and why should they? Did people want them to become irrelevant? Did they want them to be poor and begging to come back?

What content could they seriously make and have knowledge of?

We'll find out in due course won't we? and whatever it is it will be maligned on here no doubt

Did people want them to become irrelevant? Did they want them to be poor and begging to come back?

Yes and Yes. (not me I hasten to add!)

They don't need to have knowledge on anything, producers are project managers. They will hire good talent and contributers and advisors. They have already included potential ideas as part of the pitch and Netflix would have to had liked something. They will receive advice through all processes. People with ideas will be coming to them too.

I don't think he's a needy drip. I just don't think he can cope with Meghan's ambition. He never had to work for anything in his life so this life of hustling is unfamiliar to him and he's following her lead and thinks she knows best. I genuinely think he's just not that bright or has much life experience. Has there ever been a room that Harry walked into that wasn't full of either people who love him - family, or people who are excited to see him and/or being deferential to him? He's completely out of his depth and I should think he has no clue how it's supposed to be or how he's supposed to behave, without the rigid support of the The Firm. He's transferred his reliance on them to his wife.

Quite interesting QueenofA and I'm inclined to agree especially the lack of life experience being brought up in the bubble that is the RF

That's a good point, QueenofA - a lifetime of high regard, everyone listening, acting on his word, events automatically happening. He once told Omid Scobie that he'd just like to go off and spend a year in Brazil "like an ordinary bloke". How much he understands about ordinary blokes lives is open to debate. Meghan has had to hustle - all Harry needed to do was express a wish.

Not exactly sure why post was deleted! I didn't say anything derogatory, or personally attacking someone.
I queried what content I believe they can make and questioned why they managed to get such a great deal. I do not believe it has anything to do with talent, more who you know, or who you (or married to!)
Please can someone say what I have said that is worthy of getting deleted.

Andrew was married too though. With two daughters.

He has had a non royal job: he lived and worked in non luxury in the army and he has already produced a series with Oprah. He set up and worked on lots of things, all successful projects (financially and impact wise). He did two charity to the polished one had a well receiveddocumentary to go with it.

In all videos I have seen of him with non famous people, he interacts with all sorts people really well. He has Diana's ability to put people at ease, connect with them and her easy charm.