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bluebell34567 · 27/09/2020 11:35

and you have personally attacked me about my intelligence now. you do things veiled.

Viviennemary · 27/09/2020 11:42

If the palace is saying Harry is now a private person and can do and say what he likes then titles and hereditary status must be given up. Anything else is quite wrong. I hope that is what will be put to him when the review takes place.

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Iknowthingsthatwillhappen · 27/09/2020 11:43

Take a chill pill all, its only mums net

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Royalinsider · 27/09/2020 11:49

I didn't mention your intelligence bluebell34567 and fail to see why you are leaving comment after comment calling me patronising. Let's leave it there.

MissEliza · 27/09/2020 12:04

Oh fgs why do people get into these personal spats?

froggygoneacourting · 27/09/2020 12:11

It's very bad form that the Palace keep leaking nasty stories about Harry and Meghan to the media. If there's an issue, address it privately. After the Christian Jones scandal (when Byline Times published an expose showing the Sun had made two dodgy payments of £4000 to Will and Kate's publicist's partner) you'd think they'd stop. So petty and undignified.

The actual complaint is nonsensical. Harry's statements - "vote" and "reject hate speech" - are against the Queen's values? If anti-hate speech is against your values it means you're pro-hate speech. If advocacy for voting is against your values, it means you're against voting. The media story only makes the Queen look bad, not Harry.

Royal aides are essentially telling the media that the Queen's values are pro-hate speech and anti-democracy. What a massive own goal.

froggygoneacourting · 27/09/2020 12:15

'when we said we wanted a quiet life away from the cameras, this probably wasn't what people expected'

I've asked repeatedly for a source for the above and so far you've been unable to give it. Have you finally found a citation where Harry and Meghan are quoted as saying they're leaving because they want a quiet life/privacy/to be away from cameras?

Because if you can't provide a source, it unfortunately makes you look like a liar. Again.

QueenofAsgard · 27/09/2020 12:25

@smilesy

I have literally not logged on to Mumsnet for years but I have been lurking on these threads. I am now so incensed that I have reset my password so I can comment. I cannot believe that posters are complaining about misogyny hate etc being aimed at MM when certain posters have accused others of racism, anti- semitism and worse when you know nothing about these people on an anonymous forum. Harry and Meghan are making pronouncements about how people should vote and live their lives in an environmental friendly way etc all whilst living an expensive life and using private jets, driving large SUVs and so on. It is quite normal that people will have an opinion about this behaviour. However I have seen some appalling personal attacks on posters on this site and shame on Mumsnet for allowing them and the posters who made them to remain on this forum. It is abundantly clear that anyone who expresses a negative opinion of MM for the way she has behaved is subjected to vile accusations and abuse, before being hounded off completely. I am absolutely disgusted.

Well yes, as I said previously - and was deleted 🙄 - it seems to be perfectly acceptable these days to shut down discussion, and silence opposing opinions by making vicious accusations of racism, which frighten people into submitting or retreating from the discussion. Shameful to bully people into agreement or silence in this way and I for one refuse to accept it any more. I'm not a racist and never have been. Such accusations are laughable to me now.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 27/09/2020 12:25

'hope they are stripped of their titles and Harry loses his place in the succession. It's the only answer.'

I don't think they will be. It will add fuel to their victim status. Far better to leave them as a Duke and Duchess and to carry making tits of themselves in the US. Everyone can see their grasping plan.

It's all very sad. I know many families can be dysfunctional, but to treat both of theirs with such contempt yet wang on about compassion seems a bit wtf really.

Dairyfine · 27/09/2020 12:33

There is nothing that MM and PH could do that some posters on here wouldn't defend.

Royalinsider · 27/09/2020 12:36

H&M said that they would have a private personal life, not that they would retire from the public. Isn't this what they have done?

H&M said that they would work in order to eventually become independent, they did this by:
Signing to the speaking agency
Getting the Netflix deal
Full final split of the Diana inheritance between the brothers (this happened only this year, as reported by the papers)
Not taking any of Charles' allotted money to them since this March (as reported by NYT in their redaction)

In both their and the Palace statements, it was said that they would continue to do work with the patron charities and the Commonwealth, they have continued to do so.

They obviously intended to sort the Frogmore cottage payment and purchase a secure property in the US and were receiving ongoing criticism for that whilst it wasn't sorted out. If they weren't doing online and 'real world' charity/issue related work they would have been criticised for that too.

MissEliza · 27/09/2020 12:41

I wouldn't criticise them for not doing charity work if they become private self funding citizens. Most people don't. It's using their British titles as a platform to pontificate on their cause of the week that I don't agree with.

PheasantPlucker1 · 27/09/2020 12:46

Queen of Asgard well said!

Royalinsider · 27/09/2020 12:47

Charles will not allow either of his sons to be stripped of their titles, especially if he is king at the time
The Queen doesn't seem to be into the idea and would probably not do it as others like Andrew could lose their titles too
Fergie was able to use her duchess title for home shopping segments, merchandise and other ventures. She is still Sarah,Duchessof York (but not HRH) after various issues and scandals and stills lives at the Royal Lodge in Windsor
The Government is extremely unlikely to get involved and have bigger things to worry about

Roussette · 27/09/2020 12:48

'There is nothing that MM and PH could do that some posters on here wouldn't defend"

There is nothing that H&M could do that some posters on here wouldnt criticise.

They can do absolutely no right to some

Serenster · 27/09/2020 12:49

@froggygoneacourting

'when we said we wanted a quiet life away from the cameras, this probably wasn't what people expected'

I've asked repeatedly for a source for the above and so far you've been unable to give it. Have you finally found a citation where Harry and Meghan are quoted as saying they're leaving because they want a quiet life/privacy/to be away from cameras?

Because if you can't provide a source, it unfortunately makes you look like a liar. Again.

Harry's own words, from his speech to Sentabale in January (which I have posted before):

"I hope that helps you understand what it had to come to, that I would step my family back from all I have ever known,
to take a step forward into what I hope can be a more peaceful life"

Unfortunately this make it look like you need to apologise for calling another poster a liar.

Maireas · 27/09/2020 12:51

They will never, ever be stripped of their titles. Interestingly, Archie will be able to use the title "Prince" in due course. Will his parents choose to use it, will he adopt the title in later life? If he's an American citizen will he be allowed to have a princely title?

Jaxsbum · 27/09/2020 12:56

@Roussette

'There is nothing that MM and PH could do that some posters on here wouldn't defend"

There is nothing that H&M could do that some posters on here wouldnt criticise.

They can do absolutely no right to some

so true. PW is doing a nature documentary. yes the man that hunts and takes plane journeys(in non covid times) at the drop of a hat. but nothing about that. M tells people to vote and gets slated. odd. I am finding the calling pro M posters bullies tiresome. Calling people bullies for calling posters out on their posts is odd. I have not noticed the pro M posters attacking the non Pro posters on other forums. mn hq have the right to ban any poster. It is their site. members have no say.

Royalinsider · 27/09/2020 12:57

It's using their British titles as a platform
But they aren't using their titles, organisations and publications (like Time) that have worked with them have stated this. They are well known even to go by Harry and Meghan and this is exactly what they are doing.

I know they haven't given up their titles, but they shouldn't feel they should have to, especially to placate those who will most likely never be satisfied anyway.

None of this is disgraceful:
《Harry and Meghan called on viewers around the world to act with compassion in both the physical and digital worlds, use their voices, be engaged within their communities and the civic process, and care for one another, according to their representatives.》

《"When one person buys into negativity online, the effects are felt exponentially. It's time to not only reflect, but act," said Harry in his video remarks.》

《"As we approach this November, it's vital that we reject hate speech, misinformation, and online negativity. What we consume, what we are exposed to, and what we engage with online, has a real effect on all of us," he said.》

《"When we vote our values are put into action, and our voices are heard." Said Meghan》

PheasantPlucker1 · 27/09/2020 12:58

"a more peaceful life"... In LA, producing documentaries for Netflix and interfering in American elections.

Not what Id call peaceful

Royalinsider · 27/09/2020 13:01

Will his parents choose to use it?
He's a blood prince, so he could use it.
H&M already chose not tousethe courtesytitleEarl Dumbarton (whichArchiewas allowed touse from birth), nor to style him LordArchieMountbatten-Windsor.

QueenofAsgard · 27/09/2020 13:04

I am finding the calling pro M posters bullies tiresome.
Calling people bullies for calling posters out on their posts is odd

I suppose you have to expect some push back when it is insisted that all criticism is based in racism.

Roussette · 27/09/2020 13:05

Interesting on Fergie still using the Duchess title. She's been in countless adverts in the US, Wedgewood china, jewellery, weight loss plans, reality TV, talk shows etc etc and calls herself Duchess of York

How does that square with nothing on this scale that H&M have done?
I am just imagining the absolute outrage on here if they were in an ad flogging china or perfume or talking to Oprah about what its like being a Royal, all things she's done.

MissEliza · 27/09/2020 13:05

No one would be interested in anything H and M said or did if they didn't have those titles.

SunbathingDragon · 27/09/2020 13:06

@Maireas

They will never, ever be stripped of their titles. Interestingly, Archie will be able to use the title "Prince" in due course. Will his parents choose to use it, will he adopt the title in later life? If he's an American citizen will he be allowed to have a princely title?

You don’t know that and are merely speculating. Archie could use the prince title once Charles is king, unless anything changes in the meantime. It’s no different to how Lady Louise and Viscount James could use the titles princess and prince. Who knows what he will do in the future. As for being an American citizen with a title; it’s possible but theoretically such titles are not recognised. However, there is a likelihood that he has dual nationality and it would be no different to Harry using the title prince whilst living in America.