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Play nicely and don’t say anything that will get your post (or the thread) deleted. I’ll start. Archie is cute and it would be lovely to see him more often.

Invictus Games - the level of disgust at this miserable pair is palpable. The next move is from the RF - we watch and wait.

@FromEden

I agree that it is very unlikely they will portray Diana in a bad light so the obvious alternative is to make other people look bad

Well they've already shown with the book that they have no qualms about doing this so I'm sure that's the route they will take. May as well burn a few more bridges!

They'll probably blame Kate for the driver being drunk in Paris!

Why should the plug be pulled on the fundraiser? Surely Invictus is more than just Harry?

@MissEliza

Why should the plug be pulled on the fundraiser? Surely Invictus is more than just Harry?

Absolutely and clearly it doesn’t mean anything significant to him, so why can’t somebody else step in.

Is this going to go on and on for the next 50 or so years. I don't envy William having to deal with those two never knowing what they'll do next. I think they really need to lose their titles and place in succession for this to work.

I think we are coming from the premise that the Royal Family and HMQ are as horrified as the rest of us at the hypocrisy and greed of this pair and that they will be very upset about any “tell all” documentaries being made and the couple making vast sums of money from it.

However, the complete lack of response from the RF given that public opinion is obviously not on their side, suggests to me that the RF simply do not care and have given their blessing to H & M to live in the way they choose and make their living in this rather vulgar fashion.

I for one and have turned from staunch Royalist to Republican in less than a year because of this, but the RF are secure enough in their positions, that I suspect they do not care a monkeys.

@MissEliza

Why should the plug be pulled on the fundraiser? Surely Invictus is more than just Harry?

Invictus, like many charities, is currently a bit strapped for cash.

It was going to have a huge event (held at Hollywood Bowl, aiming to raise millions) and which was to have been live streamed in Amazon.

The Netflix deal means Harry has had to pull out from an Amazon supported event.

The event is now somewhat in disarray. Covid concerns about large event safety hadn't helped, and now that Harry's out, they are worried about its viability.

It's a real shame, and I doubt Invictus will wish to rely on him in future

@EleanorTopaz

I think we are coming from the premise that the Royal Family and HMQ are as horrified as the rest of us at the hypocrisy and greed of this pair and that they will be very upset about any “tell all” documentaries being made and the couple making vast sums of money from it.

However, the complete lack of response from the RF given that public opinion is obviously not on their side, suggests to me that the RF simply do not care and have given their blessing to H & M to live in the way they choose and make their living in this rather vulgar fashion.

I for one and have turned from staunch Royalist to Republican in less than a year because of this, but the RF are secure enough in their positions, that I suspect they do not care a monkeys.

I can see why you think that and it’s quite possible you are right. I just wonder whether they would have so quickly retired Andrew if they really did not care for public opinion.

I really can’t wait until this year in particular is part of the history books (covid especially) to be able to look back and see what happened and what was the turning point/trigger for it all.

I think RF silence is never necessarily what they are really thinking, just that the institution knows it isn't dignified or wise to slug it out in public.

@Eaumyword

I think RF silence is never necessarily what they are really thinking, just that the institution knows it isn't dignified or wise to slug it out in public.

I think it’s along the lines of ‘Never complain, never explain’ which is the royal family’s MO, except for H&M.

Let me know if I got this right?

PH used his association with Invictus to qualify for an O-1 visa, for "Individuals with Extraordinary Ability or Achievement."

Now he's effectively dumping Invictus, having gotten what he needed. Permission to remain in the USA. Permission to queue jump thousands of more deserving individuals in the immigration process.

What a lovely guy!

When did he get this visa? I thought there was a temporary pause on immigration due to covid and as a result, a large backlog. (Or thats the excuse, its not really because of covid but Trump trying to curtail immigration)

My DH has the same visa. But he actually works extremely hard and has contributed many thousands of tax dollars to the US. Still we are worried about our renewal application being denied though.

This dumping of Invictus is so awful I am hoping it is not true.

Silence from the Royal Family is simply normal procedure

We'll never hear what they think of any of it, unless someone slips up in about 20 years time and says 'We were all rather surprised to hear that" (which could cover any true reaction whatsoever)

If Invictus, an event which was spearheaded by Harry, is in trouble, surely he can open his allegedly now large wallet and give a substantial donation to allow it to continue to do its work? Certainly that is what a philanthropist does?

Oh sorry - I forgot that the MO of these to, as stated by PH, is to make money from philanthropy, not actually giving money away!

He probably does donate, all the Royals make private donations (which occasionally come to light)

But I doubt he would want to donate all the potential loss from his first big US fundraiser, and cannot compensate for the loss of profile for the Games

Now he's effectively dumping Invictus, having gotten what he needed. Permission to remain in the USA. Permission to queue jump thousands of more deserving individuals in the immigration process.

Surely his marriage to an American entitles him to live in the USA. I don't know what visa he is entitled to on those grounds, but I know many people who married Americans and went to live there. In deed, I once was contemplating marrying a male American friend for that purpose, but decided against it, wisely. Though that was decades ago.

@Malahaha

Now he's effectively dumping Invictus, having gotten what he needed. Permission to remain in the USA. Permission to queue jump thousands of more deserving individuals in the immigration process.

Surely his marriage to an American entitles him to live in the USA. I don't know what visa he is entitled to on those grounds, but I know many people who married Americans and went to live there. In deed, I once was contemplating marrying a male American friend for that purpose, but decided against it, wisely. Though that was decades ago.

As the spouse of a U.S. citizen, PH still has to apply to apply for permanent residency. This isn't granted automatically on marriage. He still has to jump through the formalities. He hasn't registered dual nationality and hasn't applied to become a US citizen. Therefore (at least for now) he needs some sort of a visa to remain in the USA indefinitely. And may need to pay tax.

British citizens can stay in the USA for 90 days under the visa waiver scheme. Or can use a student visa. Or can apply for a green card. There's no evidence that PH has done any of those things. There's probably a lot of leeway right now because of who he is and because of Covid, but he can't stay in the USA indefinitely as a UK citizen (and he IS a UK citizen, he's PH Duke of Sussex, he hasn't renounced that) so either he's there illegally or he has a visa. If he's there illegally then US immigration might as well pack and go home and invite everybody in the world in.

^ Like many countries, just marrying a citizen of the US does not automatically entitle one to a green card/residency rights. DH needed to provide loads of documentation including medical and financial to get a green card.

PH could also face a paying a huge tax bill to US authorities once he’s been living in the States for more than 183 days over a three-year period. The IRS don't really care who you are.

Didn't H&M move to the Tyler Perry mansion around the end of March? So by my calculations Harry will have exceeded his 183 days round about the end of this month?

Ok so it's been announced that the Netflix deal could include a documentary about Diana. Lots of speculation in the media about how PW is likely to react to that. No-one seems to have remembered that Earl Spencer is likely to be incandescent as well. Nothing like burning your bridges with ALL branches of your family is there?

I find it difficult to believe that Netflix execs would insist that a longstanding commitment that is Invictus Games is left unfulfilled. I can only imagine that this decision by H represents not only a cessation of activity that does not lead to direct financial personal gain but also any activities that are UK-focused unless it's one-way transfer of funds from the UK.

I can't see how the Royals can stop Harry talking about Princess Diana. After all she is his mother. I wonder if he's still bitter about the Charles/Camilla business and this is his revenge.

@Bumlooksbig

Ok so it's been announced that the Netflix deal could include a documentary about Diana. Lots of speculation in the media about how PW is likely to react to that. No-one seems to have remembered that Earl Spencer is likely to be incandescent as well. Nothing like burning your bridges with ALL branches of your family is there?

Earl Spencer was outspoken about his views at Diana’s funeral though so whether or not he still feels so passionately and is supportive remains to be seen.

It all depends really what Harry says. If his focus is on the media being responsible, I’m not sure Netflix will be so interested. If it’s about her public life then again, many viewers will be keen but not overwhelmingly so as it was such a long time ago. It’s the bitter fall out with HMQ/PP, PC/Camilla and her affairs with other men/MH etc that will make the money.

Personally, I’m not a fan of Diana’s although I do have respect for the charity work she did and especially how she helped with HIV/AID etc. However, I would think terribly of anyone who sold out their parent in a way they would have hated being shown. Obviously my view of Harry isn’t high anyway but surely other people will think the same way that you don’t reveal personal details of your parent that they would have wanted to keep quiet?