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Harry and Meghan News thread

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Viviennemary · 04/08/2020 09:13

I thought we could have a thread for latest news. MN did say they didn't mind one or two threads. And no rules except stick to MN guidelines. It's Meghans birthday today I just read. And the Queen has wished her a very happy birthday on the royal Instagram page according to that popular Oracle the DM.

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CallmeAngelina · 14/08/2020 09:52

Would anyone be willing to post a share token for that Simon Heffer Telegraph article?

WindsorBlues · 14/08/2020 09:54

@OneMile

I am listening the audio book, it is hilarious - cringe after cringe. One point I did pick up was that when talking about 'Heads Together' he said it was Kate's idea which was scribbled one night on the back of a cigarette packet. I did wonder if this was a slightly underhand way of making public that Kate smokes...

I am pretty incredulous at the contents of this book - it basically confirms all the negative stories (a lot of which I previously thought were probably made up). The amount of talk about the luxury and privilege they routinely enjoyed also surprised me - i thought they would have wanted to down play that side.

I've just finished the book. They couldn't give Kate any credit at all. It goes on to say that while Kate may have came up with the idea it was Harrys drive and enthusiasm that made it a success.
WindsorBlues · 14/08/2020 09:58

Another dig at Kate was MM got her first solo engagement with the Queen within weeks whereas Kate has to wait 10 months, this just shows the confidence everyone had in Meghans ability to preform.

Angelina Jolie, MM being young, beautiful and so perfect is also mentioned several times 🤢🤢🤢

WindsorBlues · 14/08/2020 10:00

Oh another. MM didn't want to quit the Monarchy as The Queen needed as much support as possible to maximise her legacy.

KatherineParr4 · 14/08/2020 10:10

@Ritascornershop

Toronto? Vancouver Island (Brentwood Bay to be precise) you mean?

I don’t understand why, with their combined fortune of £34 million, they can’t buy their own house? It didn’t have to be that massive.

Sorry, I meant Canada. That was a mistake!! I was thinking of Toronto for another reason at the time .
CallmeAngelina · 14/08/2020 10:10

"Maximise her legacy?! Shock
What. The. Actual. Fuck?!!!! Is this a script from The Office or 'TwentyTwelve?'
How on earth did she cope for the 65-odd years before Meghan turned up to save the day?

KatherineParr4 · 14/08/2020 10:11

@SunnyDayatSiestaBeech

I read an article once about things that define the lifestyles of the ultra rich, above and beyond the things you would expect - such as mansions, yachts etc. One that interested me was that when the ultra rich go on holiday - an 'advance team' goes ahead - taking all the luggage and literally prepare the accommodation so that when the 'client' arrives they literally walk into a fully equipped home with all of their personal belongings in place - clothes hung in wardrobes, food in the fridge, personal robe hanging in the bathroom, car in the drive and so on. They literally walk out of one life straight into another without lifting a finger - no packing, no unpacking etc.. A lot of stuff is bought as duplicate and just dumped at the end of the holiday.

In Finding Freedom, they actually volunteer the information that this happens for Harry and Meghan. When they fled to Vancouver for the 'sabbatical' before Christmas, they arrived at this beautiful sea front mansion house and and all of their belongings were already in place, their clothes hanging in the wardrobes, the house completely set up.

How can you freely admit to having a life with this level of privilege and then lecture on social inequality and sustainable travel - during a pandemic. The mind boggles.

Totally agree.
longwayoff · 14/08/2020 10:18

Surely there's a spare pink castle with lots of rooms and tiaras in Disneyland? Seems that would suit perfectly.

alliwantisagoodnightssleep · 14/08/2020 10:48

From The Telegraph

It strains belief that, well within living memory, a member of the Royal household was sent to outer darkness for the crime of publishing a book that was unfailingly loyal, charming and civilised about the royal personages described in it. But that was the fate, in 1950, of Marion Crawford – ‘Crawfie’ to her charges – ex-governess to the Queen when she was Princess Elizabeth, and to her sister, Princess Margaret.

Her book, The Little Princesses, was a highly anodyne account of her life with two little girls, one of whom, by an accident of fate, became at the age of 10 heir presumptive to the Throne.

Crawfie had retired from royal service in 1948, when Princess Margaret was 18 and Princess Elizabeth had married. Such was her devotion to her employers, King George VI and the late Queen Elizabeth, that she had delayed her own marriage for 16 years to fulfil her duties.

When Princess Elizabeth heard she was writing the book (which began as a series of magazine articles, and was an enterprise in which she was encouraged by the Attlee administration for public relations reasons) she pleaded with her ex-governess not to do so, as the principle of confidentiality among courtiers was deemed inviolable: and it was courtiers who, understanding the need to protect the institution, urged a hard line against Crawfie.

For Crawfie, the lure of money and pressure from her new husband was too much; and she transgressed the Unwritten Law by disclosing that Queen Elizabeth didn’t get on with Wallis Simpson – a little like saying that the Chief Rabbi isn’t wild about bacon sandwiches. Crawfie was ostracised by the Royal family and by the Court, and they never spoke to her again.

What the Royal family and Court of 1950 would make of the preposterous "biography" of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, Finding Freedom, published this week, hardly bears imagining: a fleet of ambulances would doubtless have been required to take them to the nearest hospital. I put "biography" in quotation marks because this self-serving tripe is really nothing of the sort: it is a cynical and apparently orchestrated snapshot of a period in the lives of two thirtysomethings, which aggrandises and justifies them in the eyes of the world.

The Duke and Duchess's wedding was only a little over two years ago – their fortunes have since changed
The Duke and Duchess's wedding was only a little over two years ago – their fortunes have since changed CREDIT: PA
It is a monumental public relations job, and a pretty disastrous one at that. The authors are a pair of American journalists who write about the Royal family for American glossy magazines. For them, the Royal family is a commodity, an institution in which their only interest is how loudly it can make their personal cash registers ring. It is a branch of show business; which is why they were the perfect couple to write a book about the Duchess of Sussex.

Even by the standards of recent royal biographies – most of which, when written about living members of the family, are little more than an extended gossip-column rather than reflecting the serious research normally associated with such a work – this one is an offence against even a moderate standard of intelligence and good taste. It is the perfect present for someone you wish to insult.

Serious biographies do not include effluent such as "the rising sun washed over her makeshift yoga garden, while an exotic flock of birds that looked as if they had just had their tails dipped in pots of colourful paints serenaded her". Nor would they include drivel such as this description of the Duchess meeting Misha Nonoo, a fashion designer: "Meghan was instantly intrigued by Misha’s effortless glamour, and Misha felt similarly about the actress’s fresh-faced interest."

Leaving aside the atrociousness of the prose, which any respectable editor would keep only in a book destined to be read by the vacuous, insights such as these raise the question of whether the Sussexes collaborated: a key point, because one needs to know with any biography how credible the information contained within it is.

To those of us who have written biographies – and even, I don’t doubt, to scores of millions of others who haven’t – it is blindingly obvious that much of the information in this book can have only one of two origins: either it is made up, in which case the book is worthless trash, or it was written after some sort of briefing or assistance from the Sussexes or those they may have instructed to speak for them.

The book goes into extraordinary detail about the Duke and Duchess's early courtship
The book goes into extraordinary detail about the Duke and Duchess's early courtship
How, otherwise, do the authors knows that "Meghan was instantly intrigued by Misha’s effortless glamour"? Are they psychic? As with so many books, royal or otherwise, about living people, sources are usually anonymous. That doesn’t mean that what they say is invention; but without attribution, anything goes, and the notoriously unreliable narrative tradition of this history gets off to a flying start in the case of the Sussexes.

If the book were invention the Sussexes, who are not slow to go to law, would be so outraged that a blizzard of writs would have been issued by now: so let us give the authors the benefit of the doubt and assume the contents are true. The book is still pretty much trash.

The Sussexes have made themselves people of no consequence in the British royal family. They are unconcerned, in both senses of the word, with great matters of state. The book is an unwitting tribute to what appears to be the Duchess's titanic self-obsession and the tragic ease with which the Duke has apparently decided to let himself be swallowed up by his wife's

What also lowers an already dismal, muck-raking standard is the book’s breathtaking lack of objectivity, with its accounts of people marvelling at the wonder of the Duchess as she condescends to pat a three-year old child on the head, or the magnificence of Harry’s manners when he asks his future wife to go through a door in front of him. That’s Eton for you.

There was an era of royal biography that was considered unduly fawning – Sir Sidney Lee’s authorised life of Edward VII, for example, or Harold Nicolson’s of George V – but that changed with James Pope-Hennessy’s subtle and entertaining life of Queen Mary, as amplified by Hugo Vickers’s superb edition of Pope-Hennessy’s notes, The Quest for Queen Mary, published in 2018.

The finest royal biography was not an authorised one, but Kenneth Rose’s peerless life of George V, written using Harold Nicolson’s notes and published in 1983. Once the Diana industry in all its repulsiveness got under way, standards fell. Royal biography became not a historical record, but a vehicle for settling scores.

That standards have fallen so low as this is something that does more damage to the Sussexes, embodying as it does their non-stop, self-righteous whine, than it does to the biographer’s craft.

In 50 years’ time, will serious scholars refer to this book? Perhaps: it might get a footnote or two as a contrast to more serious studies of the British royal family in the early 21st century. Would anyone, on the basis of what this biography promises, want then to read a book solely about these two future nonentities? I doubt it.

Serenster · 14/08/2020 11:02

"What also lowers an already dismal, muck-raking standard is the book’s breathtaking lack of objectivity, with its accounts of people marvelling at the wonder of the Duchess as she condescends to pat a three-year old child on the head, or the magnificence of Harry’s manners when he asks his future wife to go through a door in front of him. That’s Eton for you"

This made me snort. It's a literal hagiography, about Meghan, at least.

OVienna · 14/08/2020 11:04

"Hagiography" is exactly what this book is. Excellent and apt.

CallmeAngelina · 14/08/2020 11:04

Thanks for that, alliwant.
Harsh but fair, I feel.

WinnieTheW0rm · 14/08/2020 11:26

@longwayoff

Surely there's a spare pink castle with lots of rooms and tiaras in Disneyland? Seems that would suit perfectly.
Not Disneyland surely?

Balamory

SunbathingDragon · 14/08/2020 11:28

Thank you @alliwantisagoodnightssleep. I’m not sure I’ve ever read such a scathing review before!

I would love to know what H&M think of the book’s reception. Has anyone seen any American reviews? I wonder if they are more sympathetic especially since they appear to be the target audience of the book.

WinnieTheW0rm · 14/08/2020 11:35

[quote Iknowthingsthatwillhappen]www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/12/charting-the-disappointing-behavior-of-prince-harr/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork[/quote]
I would love to know what H&M think of the book’s reception. Has anyone seen any American reviews?

This review was linked earlier in the thread. It's not positive.

HairyToity · 14/08/2020 11:36

I'm a Republican with a penchant for royal gossip..... I do think Harry has chosen a very high maintenance wife. That is one hell of a mortgage plus outgoings to find. It might be a nice house, but funding the house and lifestyle would cause me personally great stress. I suspect their income streams will be hit by coronavirus.

Would they get a percentage of the takings from Finding Freedom, as it appears they have contributed?

SunbathingDragon · 14/08/2020 11:40

The Washington Post says: Understandably, the Sussexes have hardly endeared themselves to a British public who cherish traditional royal service. By contrast, much of America has been delighted to accept the couple with open arms, spinning the fable that Meghan was cast out — not for her selfish personal failings that defy royal service — but rather, due to — wait for it — racism. Though not all of us on this side of the ocean are embracing of our American duchess. I do wonder how many much of America is compared to not all of us on this side of the ocean and whether option is swaying more from one side to the other.

mateysmum · 14/08/2020 11:48

What H & M have still not grasped is that without the royal association they are nothing - just more celeb wannabees clutching at the greasy pole of wealthy America. Yes Harry will always be a prince, but without the duties and commitment to his heritage and country, that is an empty shell, like the dispossessed European royalty that floats around Monaco and the fleshpots of the world, trading on past glories.

They cannot afford this lifestyle without the help of the family and country they have rejected and insulted. How dare Meghan think the Queen needs her help. Of course Charles will continue to support his beloved son, but he shouldn't have to. H&M have grand ideas of changing the world, but what have they actually achieved so far? A big fat zero, whilst the Kate they revile quietly and without fuss, goes about royal business making a real difference to causes and people especially with her early years and mental health focus.

SunbathingDragon · 14/08/2020 12:12

The very fact that anyone thinks HMQ needs their help is hilarious and deluded. Of all the people in the world, even many republicans, she is greatly respected and thought well of. Now if Meghan thought Andrew needed her help, most people could understand.

MissEliza · 14/08/2020 12:13

The Washington Times article was a really good analysis of the situation. I've no idea how many Americans share the opinion as it's written by someone with clearly a good understanding of the British royal family and British people's expectations of it.

WindsorBlues · 14/08/2020 12:18

What H & M have still not grasped is that without the royal association they are nothing

The book really shows how much they don't get it.. In another part they say that Charles made it clear that William and Harry are the exact same in terms of hierarchy, the only difference is Williams birthright.

It's as if the birthright of the future king is a mere after thought and in consequential

Oh and during the Sandringham summit Meghan was on hand for Harry to call and dial her in for the talks but Harry was told it was unnecessary.... It doesn't say who told him it was unnecessary

SunbathingDragon · 14/08/2020 12:24

Oh and during the Sandringham summit Meghan was on hand for Harry to call and dial her in for the talks but Harry was told it was unnecessary....

Compete speculation, I know, but I’m going to say that HMQ, Charles and William didn’t provide this information to the authors which means only Harry or Meghan could have done.

User214934514 · 14/08/2020 12:37

I'm really curious what the relationship between H&M (or should that be just MM) and Omid Scobie is like after the book has come out. They were clearly extremely close beforehand, and overwhelming consensus seems to be that they approved or supplied information for the book. However the reception seems to have been a singular shitshow with no press outlet, even the Guardian, showing them in a good light. And they didn't receive a cent from the entire enterprise either.

Regardless of reviews, at least Scobie & Durand are laughing all the way to the bank. Even bad reviews drum up PR and there will still be people going to buy the book out of curiosity. Genuinely can't see what H&M gained out of this debacle. The sentence implying they met with the authors heavily affects the outcome of the court case.

Just have a hilarious image of Mr Justice Warby sitting in his living room attempting to plough through the appalling Mills & Boon style of writing. He must feel obliged to read it due to the case and I cannot imagine that swinging things in any favour for the Sussexes.

ajandjjmum · 14/08/2020 12:44

Just think, had she joined in the conversation, there would have been a word by word recital of the meeting for the book! Probably.

MissEliza · 14/08/2020 12:44

I remember it being reported in the media that she would be dialling in, which I thought was a bloody cheek. Perhaps H & M leaked that, not realising they'd be slapped down.

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