Harry and Meghan, more news!

[callmeadoctor]

New thread following on old one: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_royal_family/3932323-Harry-and-Meghan-news?msgid=97617755

The couple have held meeting with leaders involved in the movement at every level: local, national, and international

Yes, how great they have that opportunity. Not sure who else has tried?

@parrots

To add, this was my exact comment:

Meghan's comments in her engagement interview and also during that one and only, ill-fated 'fab four' event suggested that she saw her marriage to Harry as presenting an opportunity to massively increase her profile. This may be unfair, but that was the impression I got from the beginning, and nothing that has happened since has served to weaken that impression and it's off-putting

Still, pretty arrogant to think you can read a woman's heart from a couple of public appearances, don't you think?

What a fng moron

Nice.

At least they're trying to do something.

So far, they have taken a very scatter gun approach to social justice endeavours. It seems to be very "flavour of the month", with the exception of Harry's war veteran activities. IMHO, this is just the latest flavour.

As for my post, that's the message from some African Americans, and keep in mind, I posted two of the milder opinions.

Still, pretty arrogant to think you can read a woman's heart from a couple of public appearances, don't you think?

The irony of your own post probably escapes you

calm it's such early days! They've been in US for what... 4 months, they've been married 2 years, had a baby. BLM is the flavour of the month, because of what happened, why shouldn't they have a voice? Many other celebrities, footballers, famous people, not so famous people, A to Z listers etc etc have tweeted, spoken out, made themselves heard. Should H&M be forever silent and not be able to do what they feel is something to help?
I just don't get what those who really dislike H&M want. Them gagged I presume.

And as for that forum calling Harry a fucking moron, there is vile stuff all over the internet about everyone, doesn't mean to say it has a huge audience..

If I wanted to, I could post endless clips, comments, from people who feel the exact opposite to what you copied and pasted.

I think that's great to read. How much better to be trying to make a difference with their contribution towards Black Lives Matter,. I don't think anyone should be criticised for that, not even M&H

I think BLM could combine really well with climate change given that global warming will adversely affect Africa in a major way.

Race is such a sensitive subject though, I hope Harry knows his stuff before he gets involved and is prepared for people to bring up some insensitive moments from his past relating to race

BLM has been an American movement for 7 years, with nary a peep from Harry or Meghan about its goals or activities in that time.

As for the posts, I am referring specifically to African Americans. If you can find opposing views, good for you.

There are squillions of twitter posts from black Americans calling MM their princess & queen and decrying the racist British establishment that drove her away. So what? You can find any view you want on the internet of you go looking for it. I don't see that proves anything at all.

Exactly.

That's what I mean.

LaMar, I was also posting about that Camilla was older. I used to be the absolute poster woman for ambition, double degree and then straight to London from my country.

After my third child (high risk pg), my priorities...changed. I will go back to work at some point, probably part time and I hope to have grandchildren and spending a lot of time with them. That plan of life would never have entered my mind in my thirties.... Sometimes I believe priorities change.

Why is everyone aefuiyon this thread?

previous thread @Tippexy, near the end.

@bluebell34567 ah, MNHQ have removed it rolls eyes

@MoreHippoThanPenguin of course priorities change. There's nothing wrong with that. The only mistake is when you can't see what the priorities are. It sounds like you know exactly what you need in your life right now which is great.

Thank you @MissEliza .

My point regarding Meghan is that it struck me that she comes across as much more personally ambitious than Kate and Camilla. Maybe personality wise, maybe a different stage in life. And there is nothing wrong with that, we are all different ! I am not into the emotional language used/attributed to her, but I can relate to the ambition.

I think part of the problem might have been that there was no role in the RF where she could both be a part of Harry’s RF world (representation etc) and also maintain her own life. (There is a completely different discussion to be had about the structure of the Royal Family as an institution and how viable that is).

I think people expected her to fill the traditional role which came with a lot of requirements she may have found silly and suffocating (WI openings, boring parties, traditional dress code and most of all taking a back seat to Harry) whereas M&H expected to be able to form a new role which was not possible. Then she got criticism for not doing what was expected and less appreciation for some of the things she did do. And got compared unfavourably with women who fitted better into the role (due to personalities and/or stage in life).

Am I making any sense?

I don’t think people expected Meghan Markle to fulfill a particular role. Perhaps Harry did, though.

I think she could have continued in her Tier 3 acting career, if that is what she had wanted.

I suspect there was a collision between her fantasy of royal life and its stultifying reality.

Yes, it's a bit of a Faustian pact. Working royals are expected to surrender their freedom and personal ambition, in exchange for unlimited luxury and public fawning - but they are expected to represent the institution and the causes it supports, not themselves.

I think this model is pretty clear to people in the UK, but not necessarily to someone from the US.

Making sense to me.

MoreHippo

That plan of life would never have entered my mind in my thirties.... Sometimes I believe priorities change.

Absolutely - and I completely see the reasons you made the choices you did; it sounds like it's working well for you.

My priorities changed too. I had the same job and degree as Mr LaMar (except I had prizes too, which irked him a little).
I had my two daughters relatively young and close together (all very planned - I was very lucky our fertility played ball ).

My priority then was them and I went part time to look after them as much as I could.
I went back to full time work in my mid-40s, and would have been senior to Mr LaMar now if it hadn't been for health reasons
meaning I had to give up work. Obviously, my body doesn't always play ball .

I just meant that people don't always just want to concentrate on children/grandchildren (I don't have any of the latter yet: the LaMar girls are in their 20s* and building quite high-flying careers), their partner and some charity work because they've reached the vast age of 50+.

*And, funnily enough, see H&M as pretty middle-aged.
I guess it's all relative

Yes, Camilla was 57 when she married Charles, and needed to keep a low profile given that all had gone on before. It was her only option really.
Much different for the general public

Roussette

Yes, Camilla was 57 when she married Charles, and needed to keep a low profile given that all had gone on before. It was her only option really.
Much different for the general public

Absolutely. It was the situation that demanded it rather than her age perhaps?

Maybe, yes

Has Camilla ever worked? She seems to have been rich enough not to have to. Royal duties are probably closer to a job than she's been before.