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The royal family

Harry and Meghan, more news!

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callmeadoctor · 20/06/2020 08:24

New thread following on old one: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_royal_family/3932323-Harry-and-Meghan-news?msgid=97617755

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Cartesiandebt · 22/06/2020 10:07

Age and the circumstances of their relationship aside, I think it's Camilla's natural personality - she's quite confident and comfortable in public, but also happy to take a back seat. This may be part of her appeal for Charles. We all know he resented Diana for stealing his limelight.

I love this picture of her

www.instagram.com/p/BrTB_VKAYK0/

Cartesiandebt · 22/06/2020 10:11

Has Camilla ever worked? She seems to have been rich enough not to have to. Royal duties are probably closer to a job than she's been before.

This is from her Wikipedia page

"Camilla worked as a secretary for a variety of firms in the West End and was later employed as a receptionist by the decorating firm Sibyl Colefax & John Fowler in Mayfair. In her spare time, she became a passionate horse-rider and frequently attended equestrian activities."

Viviennemary · 22/06/2020 11:00

Camilla has never worked AFAIK. She was left around £500k in her early/mid twenties. Which was a great deal of money then. Still is for some.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/06/2020 11:04

You were making perfect sense, MoreHippo, but to me it might have been wise for all those valid things you mentioned to be thought about before rushing into marriage

As I've said so often, it's not so much what's right or wrong about their two very different worlds as whether it could work if they collided

Serenster · 22/06/2020 11:18

I think Camilla was of the age, class and financial background that all that was expected of her was that she take on an undemanding job until she married, and then she would no longer work (like Diana and her nursery assistant job). It can't have been an easy decision for her to marry Prince Charles at age 57, knowing that meant no more comfortable life of leisure, but actually a visible public role, plenty fo engagements, overseas travel (when you hate flying) and the prospect of that continuing, and probably increasing, for the rest of your life.

Samcro · 22/06/2020 11:59

they seem to make it work.
its interesting how many royal women have not had careers. maybe thats why M stands out.
Diana/Kate (Not sure about Sarah) didn't, although to be fair Diana was very young when she married.

Serenster · 22/06/2020 12:10

Sarah had various office secretarial jobs before she got married. Sophie Wessex is the main exception - she had a lengthy career in PR before (and after, for a bit before it all got too sticky) she married Edward.

DontLookTwice · 22/06/2020 12:20

Both Diana and Camilla only got one O Level so I am not sure they could have had much of a career anyway.

Samcro · 22/06/2020 12:47

I suppose in certain circles its all about marrying well and then supporting your husband.
At least back then it would have been.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/06/2020 13:25

I'm a bit surprised it's Robert Lacey - he's usually a fairly reputable biographer, so either there's more to write about than we perhaps think or else he's said "sod it, I'll do just one more then retire"

Madasahattersteaparty1749 · 22/06/2020 13:36

They are still using the crown logo twitter.com/StreetGames/status/1274734375876333568?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet hope the link works.....

Oldbutstillgotit · 22/06/2020 13:48

Puzzledandpissedoff

I'm a bit surprised it's Robert Lacey - he's usually a fairly reputable biographer, so either there's more to write about than we perhaps think or else he's said "sod it, I'll do just one more then retire"

I was exactly the same . I have read other books he has written so think he definitely has facts rather than gossip.

Viviennemary · 22/06/2020 13:49

I'd say they are getting away with it by saying it's a ducal coronet not a crown. And they've removed the word royal.

Madasahattersteaparty1749 · 22/06/2020 13:50

Think it’s great however that they are keeping in touch with charities they were involved with in the UK.

ButteryPuffin · 22/06/2020 13:51

I think it's just desserts for Camilla that she puts the work in now. She got the benefits of an intimate relationship with Charles for years without having the downside of all the duties and the public scrutiny. But then after Diana's death it was seen as necessary for them to marry to make the whole thing seem somewhat respectable and smooth the way for Charles taking the throne. It probably looks like a sacrifice on her part but I see it as more like coming late to the contribution she should have been making anyway. She's still had the benefit of being able to have and raise a family in privacy and in hugely privileged circumstances.

ButteryPuffin · 22/06/2020 13:53

Without the word royal, the symbol stays abstract enough to be acceptable, I guess? Crown Paints have a crown in their logo too..

Madasahattersteaparty1749 · 22/06/2020 13:54

@Viviennemary

I'd say they are getting away with it by saying it's a ducal coronet not a crown. And they've removed the word royal.
I didn’t realise about ducal coronet, just had to google

Commonwealth usage[edit]

Depiction of a baron's coronet on a 17th-century funerary monument
In the United Kingdom, a peer wears his or her coronet on one occasion only: for a royal coronation, when it is worn along with coronation robes, equally standardised as a luxurious uniform.

In the peerages of the United Kingdom, the design of a coronet shows the rank of its owner, as in German, French and various other heraldic traditions.

Dukes were the first individuals authorised to wear coronets.

Marquesses acquired coronets in the 15th century, earls in the 16th and viscounts and barons in the 17th. Until the barons received coronets in 1661, the coronets of earls, marquesses and dukes were engraved while those of viscounts were plain. After 1661, however, viscomital coronets became engraved, while baronial coronets were plain. Coronets may not bear any precious or semi-precious stones.[1]

The coronet of a duke (a silver-gilt circlet, chased as jewelled but not actually gemmed) has eight strawberry leaves of which five are seen in two-dimensional representations.

The coronet of a marquess has four strawberry leaves and four silver balls (known as "pearls", but not actually pearls), slightly raised on points above the rim, of which three leaves and two balls are seen.
The coronet of an earl has eight strawberry leaves (four visible) and eight "pearls" raised on stalks, of which five are visible.

The coronet of a viscount has sixteen "pearls" touching one another, nine being seen in representation.

The coronet of a baron or Lord of Parliament in the Scots peerage (a plain silver-gilt circlet) has six "pearls" of which four are visible.

Since a person entitled to wear a coronet customarily displays it in his or her coat of arms above the shield and below the helmet and crest, this can provide a useful clue as to the owner of a given coat of arms.

In Canadian heraldry, descendants of the United Empire Loyalists are entitled to use a Loyalist military coronet (for descendants of members of Loyalist regiments) or Loyalist civil coronet (for others) in their arms.

BalloonSlayer · 22/06/2020 13:57

Diana's jobs were just jobs to prove what a good wife she would make. She worked a couple of days a week in a kindergarten, did a bit of nannying, which was probably just babysitting, and a bit of cooking for dinner parties. She was essentially Taggie O'Hara. Grin

All of them - Diana, Camilla, Fergie, would have only expected to work until they got married. Pippa and Kate have been the same although I suspect they would both have had good careers instead had Kate's path never crossed William's. She blew her career-forging years ensuring she was at his back and call. But it was OK in the end and, in Mrs Bennett's words, her fabulous marriage threw Pippa into the path of other rich men. That sounds mean spirited, there's nothing wrong with wanting to marry a successful man and the scrutiny they were under would have made it very difficult for them to start out working in lowly post grad jobs like many of us have to.

Things have changed massively regarding women and employment in the last 100 years. My grandparents married in the 20s, they were lower middle/upper working class. It was considered shameful if a married woman had to go out to work, as it meant her husband was unable to support the family.

My aunts both worked in banks in the 1950s, you had to resign if you got married and that was that. They just did not employ married women, full stop. My mum worked in a different industry which did employ married women but you left as soon as you were pregnant.

Times change but the upper classes are slowest to change. Why should they? They like things are they are thankyouverymuch.

ButteryPuffin · 22/06/2020 13:57

Think it’s great however that they are keeping in touch with charities they were involved with in the UK.

I'm sure people will disagree, but sending a letter of praise in itself doesn't help the charity, and looks suspiciously like you are aiming to get credit for that show of support. I would be more impressed by some actual concrete support for the charities - e.g. a donation Grin, help with publicising fundraising, auctioning things to help them even.

Nanasueathome · 22/06/2020 14:04

The letter is dated Friday, 19th June
It’s only 22nd today
How was the letter sent?

Cartesiandebt · 22/06/2020 14:05

The effusive response from the fans on Twitter to what is essentially a rather boring and polite thank you letter is... interesting Confused

Twitter is such an odd place.

Cartesiandebt · 22/06/2020 14:11

Does anyone else find it surprising that Meghan and Harry didn't release a picture or something for father's day?

thisenglishlife · 22/06/2020 14:32

They are not posting on social media at the moment and haven't released any photos anywhere for a while.

EthelMayFergus · 22/06/2020 14:35

There is a rumour that Harry came back to the UK yesterday, speculatively based on a private jet arriving here from LA and his 90 days is up regarding his visa. I wouldn't have thought the 90 day limit applied to Harry?

Yes, I was surprised that there was no father's day photo of Harry and Archie, is it like Mother's day and celebrated on a different date in USA? There were some lovely pictures of William, with his children and Charles.