Harry and Meghan, more news!

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New thread following on old one: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_royal_family/3932323-Harry-and-Meghan-news?msgid=97617755

Hippo actually, I think that's one role that could work! Because it's linked to her area of expertise, i.e. acting. It was the more general suggestions that she'd be great in a political role of some sort that I didn't find credible.

I have been banging on at intervals (as readers of previous threads may remember) about how it would be relatively easy for Meghan to do stuff in support of the theatre industry, which is on the brink of disaster due to Covid, given her role as patron of the National Theatre. I still think that. I also think that if she wants to contribute to the Black Lives Matter movement, doing so in relation to black actors and performers and the barriers they face would be an awesome move. It would draw on both her own life experience and her expertise. She would have credibility in a way that would be much harder to achieve in other sectors. But I don't imagine I have a greater level of PR genius than her expensive team of advisors (although then again... ) so I have to assume it's been suggested but she's not that keen.

I'm amazed at what a good PR team has done for Charles

Stunning isn't it? A bit concerning, too, that some accept it all so readily

Interesting point about the security staff, though. Their constant presence would drive me mad, frankly, but maybe the royals just don't "see" them in the end?

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I think it has helped that Camilla has gone about her duties in a quiet way and not sought attention. And no interviews about how hard it has all been

I agree with this. I think people accept Camilla because they really that all she really wants is to be married to Charles. She's not done anything in the way of self-promotion, she just attends events in a polite way and quietly promotes various causes.

To a point, the same can be said of Kate. I've never really seen her as a social-climber (although admittedly her mother and Pippa do emit a rather aspirational vibe). But I think Kate genuinely loved Will from the early stages of their relationship and wanted to marry him, rather than loving him because of who he was.

On the other hand, Meghan's comments in her engagement interview and also during that one and only, ill-fated 'fab four' event suggested that she saw her marriage to Harry as presenting an opportunity to massively increase her profile. This may be unfair, but that was the impression I got from the beginning, and nothing that has happened since has served to weaken that impression and it's off-putting.

@StartupRepair

C and C included a public prayer of contrition in their wedding service.

Isn't that standard practice in any second wedding/blessing in a chiurch, after a divorce?

She's not done anything in the way of self-promotion, she just attends events in a polite way and quietly promotes various causes

I don't think she had a lot of choice given she was carrying on with an affair with Charles the whole time he was married to Diana. She wants what she wants, and quietly is the only way she could get it.

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike her, but the whole thing was pretty awful.

@parrots

I think it has helped that Camilla has gone about her duties in a quiet way and not sought attention. And no interviews about how hard it has all been

I agree with this. I think people accept Camilla because they really that all she really wants is to be married to Charles. She's not done anything in the way of self-promotion, she just attends events in a polite way and quietly promotes various causes.

To a point, the same can be said of Kate. I've never really seen her as a social-climber (although admittedly her mother and Pippa do emit a rather aspirational vibe). But I think Kate genuinely loved Will from the early stages of their relationship and wanted to marry him, rather than loving him because of who he was.

On the other hand, Meghan's comments in her engagement interview and also during that one and only, ill-fated 'fab four' event suggested that she saw her marriage to Harry as presenting an opportunity to massively increase her profile. This may be unfair, but that was the impression I got from the beginning, and nothing that has happened since has served to weaken that impression and it's off-putting.

Are you honestly saying that you can tell, through their public appearances and press coverage, that Kate married for love and Meghan married for social advancement? You do know the red tops lie? That there was a campaign of subtle and not so subtle racism (including showing MM's baby as a chimp FFS). You really think, through the lies that are told and what is displayed for the public, that you can read these women's hearts and judge how much they love their husbands? That is a very unpleasant and arrogant view to take, in my opinion.

The comments on Quora are absolutely horrible. People just make stuff up to slag her off.

Awful.
I can only presume they're unhappy in their own lives and it makes them feel powerful or better.

Can I just offer another perspective on Meghan, Kate and Camilla.

How about Kate didn’t want that many other things apart from marrying William, raising a family and do some photography. Which made it easier for her to play the more standard, royal wife role?

Camilla, I know very little about, but she has a family, doesn’t want a career (anymore?) and is mainly supporting Charles in a more traditional royal wife role.

Meghan is more independent, has a career behind her and was older when she got married. It is much harder (I guess) to fit into the traditional role if you have an established career and are independent. Maybe she was looking for a new way to enable both to be supportive and also create something for herself? Which is completely understandable, but also very difficult within the royal family. Which she should have been briefed about/understood? It was quite a disaster for Sophie Wessex as well.

Then when people look at her, maybe some interpreted the more modern way to relate as her just trying to further her career? Whereas she was trying to form a new kind of role that was never going to be available? And possibly trying to drop a bit much of the traditional role (including women’s institute openings etc)?

I can only presume they're unhappy in their own lives and it makes them feel powerful or better.

What I always assume about many who post on, amongst others, these threads to try to provoke arguments and derail. Ironic that you, of all people, don’t see that.

I think you're right on a lot of that MoreHippo and we have to remember Camilla was 57 when she married Charles. Very different to Meghan at 36.

Of course, Camilla at that age would be all for the quiet life, just supporting Charles, seeing her family and grandchildren, and supporting her favourite charities.

And I think Kate, if she hadn't met and married William, would have still perhaps been a traditional wife to someone maybe.

I think Roussette is often the voice of sanity on these threads, and sounds far more balanced and content than the posters who have to trawl the reccesses of the internet to find made up stories to justify their odd hatred for a women they have never met who has committed no crime.

What I always assume about many who post on, amongst others, these threads to try to provoke arguments and derail. Ironic that you, of all people, don’t see that

I have no idea what you're talking about. I am specifically saying about some comments on Quora which were particularly unpleasant. If you want to apply my comments to posters on here, that is you doing it. Not me.

And please stop the derailing comments. I am expressing a point of view, something that I am quite entitled to do.

Here is what I said again, as you obviously didn't read it properly.
The comments on Quora are absolutely horrible. People just make stuff up to slag her off

Note... The comments on Quora. No mention of comments on this thread.

Thank you TheNavigator
Appreciated

And I think Kate, if she hadn't met and married William, would have still perhaps been a traditional wife to someone maybe.

It depends how you define a 'traditional wife'. I don't think, in most spheres of life, in most of the world, it is on 'untraditional' for a wife to work - far from it. But of course, in the royal family, no one works for a living, so in that respect not working for a living is traditonal for them.

How did you come across the comments about Meghan on Quora? I've never encountered them, but then I haven't been looking.

Maybe Kate would've been much like Pippa... doing a bit of work for their parents company, and dabbling in other stuff. Pippa does a bit of journalistic work, and has married a seriously wealthy man who will eventually inherit a castle, a massive estate and a title.

I think Pippa's access to a man with that level of wealth may have been facilitated by her sister's fortuitous marriage.

@MoreHippoThanPenguin good post.

the accusations on derailing are getting tiresome.
its a thread about HaM
people will discuss them and the wider royal family.

@Roussette

What I always assume about many who post on, amongst others, these threads to try to provoke arguments and derail. Ironic that you, of all people, don’t see that

I have no idea what you're talking about. I am specifically saying about some comments on Quora which were particularly unpleasant. If you want to apply my comments to posters on here, that is you doing it. Not me.

And please stop the derailing comments. I am expressing a point of view, something that I am quite entitled to do.

Here is what I said again, as you obviously didn't read it properly.
The comments on Quora are absolutely horrible. People just make stuff up to slag her off

Note... The comments on Quora. No mention of comments on this thread.

Gaslighting doesn’t work with me.

Good for you @SunbathingDragon

I wish I had your patience and strength.

Oh do give over.

You talk of trying to provoke arguments. That is what you're trying to do with me.
It ain't working, and I won't respond to these posts on this from you anymore.