Harry and Meghan, more news!

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New thread following on old one: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_royal_family/3932323-Harry-and-Meghan-news?msgid=97617755

I highly doubt H will talk about such nonsensical, gossipy things. It obviously is not what he would be called for.

He could however, talk about solutions to various problems. He has the advantage of having met ppl who may not necessarily have the same views, or the opportunity to have been brought together in the same room to hash out different views. That is why ex Heads of states are still in demand even today - especially ones that may come across as open minded enough to listen to what these ppl have to say. If you recall Tony B was called on for opinion by every organisation regarding Brexit and other matters, he is still in demand today, because of the wealth of his interactions. The same for most HoS .

Harry has no expertise to discuss solutions to world problems. He seems to be barely able to cope with his own life.

Tony B is called upon for comment because he is a former Prime Minister and, whatever you feel about his politics, an accomplished statesman. He's also a decent public speaker. You surely aren't equating H with TB.

Or maybe how totally hilarious it was dressing as a nazi.

Harry profusely apologised for his racism, regarding Paki and Nazi. Judging by his actions nowadays, I would say the race relations course he went on to learn more about how wrong he was has worked. Question is why he is still being held to something he has been atoning for, for the last decade. Yet no one gives about other royals blacking up for their colonies parties.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/4597265/Prince-Harry-sent-on-equality-and-diversity-course-after-Paki-race-row.html

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-harry-to-be-sent-on-diversity-course-after-race-remarks-3qn07vsw8g0

Barely able to cope with his own life?

What does that mean? He's depressed, and struggling, or what?

He could however, talk about solutions to various problems

Mummy - H is in that role by virtue of being born into it. He is not in that role on merit. Most of the other people you mention in your post (Heads of State, diplomats, civil servants, etc.) are there on merit (I know it's difficult to believe sometimes, but it's true. They are).

I am not equating them. But Tony B is one of the most well known ppl who is still being called upon even years after he left office. There are lots of others, not sure they are as well known worldwide.

Does not matter how he got into the role, bottom line he is there.

For example, and don't twist this to mean they are the same, I think Trump is a bumbling fool (along with others), but they manipulated their way into the top. They are more privy to info we do not have. That is that, nothing can be done about it, whether we like it or not.

He could however, talk about solutions to various problems. He has the advantage of having met ppl who may not necessarily have the same views, or the opportunity to have been brought together in the same room to hash out different views. That is why ex Heads of states are still in demand even today - especially ones that may come across as open minded enough to listen to what these ppl have to say. If you recall Tony B was called on for opinion by every organisation regarding Brexit and other matters, he is still in demand today, because of the wealth of his interactions. The same for most HoS . You've gone too far now Mummy

But @mummy195 people like Tony Blair, Clinton or Obama (am leaving Trump off this list and putting aside how anyone views these in terms of personal political affiliations) have been immersed in the nuance and detail of key global events and challenges. Now there is a skill set required as a figurehead in the RF to engage with Heads of State - to have enough knowledge to know what you know and what you don't know, to know what is appropriate to know etc. That skillset is unlikely to give granular insight into global challenges.

What does that mean? He's depressed, and struggling, or what?

That’s a bit of a leap! I took it as meaning that he’s unemployed and living beyond his means in a foreign country with a wife and small child to support. He also appears to have fallen out with many of his close friends and family members.

There are all manner of public speakers, ex olympians, gardeners, cooks, entrepreneurs, TV hosts, comedians, sailors, fitness gurus, and even members of the Royal Family.
Princess Michael of Kent (yes the one who wore the dodgy brooch at Harry & Meghan's engagement bash), she is an after dinner speaker. Talking about historical kings and queens or something.

If she can do it, I'm sure H&M can. Why do people have to knock them down, when they haven't even done one speech yet?

I took it different. Barely able to cope with his own life could mean anything couldn't it?

myrtleWilson

I understand what you are saying. I did not mean to delve too much into this as I know it will be twisted to say that I think H&M are exactly like the ppl you mention. A family member was a diplomat, I remember how she had to know everything about everyone all the time, remember country relations etc. And yes, she was aware on what to say and not to say to whom because her job was to watch what and how she said things. This was my point.

I guess in the end what I was trying to say was ppl like the fm I am telling you about here, would be called to events later as she had all these interactions, knowledge etc. However, H&M are further up the list, maybe not quite as high as Obama, but certainly high because of their reach. My fm gets called at smaller events for sure. But from what I recall, she had a full department doing the research to brief her, eg. she would not know the intimate details of all the embassy departments like all the telecoms, IR etc. without getting a brief about them, and surely everyone knows that a President or PM has to be briefed on all the departments, they would not just know everything would they?

Princess Michael of Kent is a published author of non fiction works about historical figures. Love her or hate her, she has something talk about.

Well, if H were to write a non fiction about historical figures, ppl would be asking for this History degree, thesis and experience ( and I am not referring to a History of Fine and Decorative Art here) .

Sounds like a total snoozefest to me, but whatever floats your boat. 3 historical biographies, plus other books.

And until, or if, H&M do public speaking, you won't know exactly what they will have to talk about, will you?

Roussette You raise an interesting point. Of course there are many, many speakers of all formats, and there’s no reason why HaM shouldn’t join their number. So, why does it seem so different for them? Perhaps it’s just my perspective but they don’t seem on par with the guy who did the milk advert or the woman who teaches piano to children (I can’t remember their names), or an ex-Olympian. To me, it seems very much like they are trapped - can’t turn this way, can’t turn that way. Is H too close to the throne, too famous/infamous, too troubled?

Their best bet would be to get a good scriptwriter and develop a duo comedy routine along the lines of Morecambe and Wise, or The Chuckle Brothers.

@Mummy195

myrtleWilson

I understand what you are saying. I did not mean to delve too much into this as I know it will be twisted to say that I think H&M are exactly like the ppl you mention. A family member was a diplomat, I remember how she had to know everything about everyone all the time, remember country relations etc. And yes, she was aware on what to say and not to say to whom because her job was to watch what and how she said things. This was my point.

I guess in the end what I was trying to say was ppl like the fm I am telling you about here, would be called to events later as she had all these interactions, knowledge etc. However, H&M are further up the list, maybe not quite as high as Obama, but certainly high because of their reach. My fm gets called at smaller events for sure. But from what I recall, she had a full department doing the research to brief her, eg. she would not know the intimate details of all the embassy departments like all the telecoms, IR etc. without getting a brief about them, and surely everyone knows that a President or PM has to be briefed on all the departments, they would not just know everything would they?

Neither were representing the Royal Family for very long. Harry only left the army recently and Meghan married him in 2018. That doesn’t give them long to have met many heads of state to have had prolonged in-depth conversations. If it was Charles then his knowledge and list of previous contacts would be considerable but not Harry and certainly not Meghan (from her time in the Royal Family - in little more than 18 months, she had maternity leave, a prolonged holiday in Canada and then quit).

@Mummy195

Well, if H were to write a non fiction about historical figures, ppl would be asking for this History degree, thesis and experience ( and I am not referring to a History of Fine and Decorative Art here) .

Why? That’s not normal for people to ask most authors.

Barley I agree
They are not your run-of-the-mill ex Olympian or Seb Coe talking about London Olympics or whatever. They will have to find their niche and it could be trial and error to start with. Almost too famous, yes...

Mummy is saying that Harry wouldn't get away with writing a historical biography without having to justify it in some way. He wouldn't be able to get away with it because he would be maligned.

What did he talk about at the JP Morgan event? Does anyone know?

@Roussette

Barley I agree They are not your run-of-the-mill ex Olympian or Seb Coe talking about London Olympics or whatever. They will have to find their niche and it could be trial and error to start with. Almost too famous, yes...

Mummy is saying that Harry wouldn't get away with writing a historical biography without having to justify it in some way. He wouldn't be able to get away with it because he would be maligned.

I understand what she said. Why do you think I didn’t? If it was written with correct referencing to sourcing and back up with factual information, it would be like most other historical biographies that are justified purely by their content. He would be judged, like all authors, on the content of his work and (unlike at present) it would mean he would have something that could be critically assessed by the public to determine the worth of the income received from it.

botanicalart reportedly, Harry spoke about his mental health struggles following the death of his mum