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Meghan and Harry Debacle part 2

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RosesandIris · 10/05/2020 10:23

New thread

Has anyone seen that Lady Colin Campbell has written a book on Harry and Meghan using insider information. Apparently she’s has members of the Markle family to stay. She’s brave!

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CallmeAngelina · 18/05/2020 13:10

I was chatting with colleagues earlier. Some would say we were gossiping (we were!)
But every word was true.

Mamamia456 · 18/05/2020 13:28

CallmeAngelina - That doesn't mean all gossip is true.

Myimaginary - Not sure that's the case, has she ever been at a royal event?

ARoseInHarlem · 18/05/2020 13:35

Here’s a different perspective.

I’m an expat, left the UK many years ago. Married, had children abroad, worked, bought a home etc.

I think many expats would agree then when you leave your home country, the people you leave behind (family, friends, colleagues) feel a sense of betrayal. You’re not betraying them, especially when you leave with a heavy heart, but to those left behind you’ve made an active choice of something/somewhere else over them and home.

It can come as a shock, the first few times you visit home, that everyone isn’t over the moon happy to see you. You don’t always realise that they’ve adjusted to life without you, that they may miss you but you miss everything about home including them. So, excitement levels going “home” are high for the expat, and more “so good to see you again” for those you’ve left behind.

It also is a thorn in a relationship if your partner doesn’t get homesickness, or (later) this sense of disappointment and second guessing that follows.

So, in thinking about Harry and these alleged video calls to patronages and military contacts, I just don’t think he gets it.

You cannot get more nationalistic and patriotic than the military: that’s what they’re for. To put Queen and country above all else, to give your life for it. People sacrifice marriages, stable home, limbs and life for their country. I don’t see how many fucks any of them would give about someone who’s chosen to leave they country (for a mega mansion in Hollywood!!).

The patronage’s: aside from the Commonwealth work, these are organisations that again serve the people of the UK, in the main. What do they care about someone who’s riding out the storm in Hollywood? Someone who chose to leave them for a swimming pool and Oprah and LA? He’s no more relevant to them than..... MM.

MM has no allegiance to the UK. Whatever motions she goes through, whatever lip service she pays, she’s not about the UK and she never was. She’s home now.

It will be years before Harry realises this, before he understands that you can’t have it both ways. Zooming in to people from a different time zone just isn’t the same. If when traveling bans are lifted he expects to travel to the UK multiple times per year, what does that say of his eco credentials? And how destabilizing is that?

CallmeAngelina · 18/05/2020 13:38

Mamamia456
I wasn't saying that it does. But neither does it mean that no gossip is true either.
And in the case of the Blind Gossip threads I mentioned, they were bang on the nose on those points.

TimeLady · 18/05/2020 13:52

Commentator and author Judy Wade said "You can say anything whatever you like about the queen because she won't sue, but it doesn't mean it is true.

It necessarily doesn't mean it isn't true, either. I'm in no doubt here's going to be a lot coming out about the DoE in the next decade or so; stories of his wilder side that have been suppressed because of deference to HMQ.

RosesandIris · 18/05/2020 13:55

All very true A RoseinHarlem.

I don’t believe that she ever really intended to stay in the UK from day one. The speed at which she’s executed her game plan is breathtaking however. I am surprised even Harry isn’t questioning her motives in retrospect now.

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BalloonSlayer · 18/05/2020 14:01

But should she have been expected to live in the UK? Don't most couples meet, decide to marry and set up home wherever is best for them as a family?

ARoseInHarlem · 18/05/2020 14:03

Maybe she said she’d give it a go: she did Smartworks, she did The Hub cookbook, they launched the Fab Four mental health initiative. They had the wedding. They chose frogmore.

But I bet the book will say everything else (racism, press intrusion etc) stood in the way of her making a success of life in the UK and she had no choice but to leave. Her staying was untenable.

It’s hard living abroad. You really do have to give it a go, you have to commit. And that’s when you’re not married to a prince, with no financial worries or visa troubles or being able to go home as much as you want. She’ll say the press intrusion wasn’t worth all that.

I don’t think she ever wanted to stay. And I think Harry Gabe her what she wanted, because what Meghan wants, Meghan gets. I’m sure she’s very persuasive.

More fool him 🤷‍♀️

ARoseInHarlem · 18/05/2020 14:06

@BalloonSlayer

Honestly, when you marry a member of a royal family, you marry the nation. You commit to the country as much as the individual. That’s the way it’s been throughout history, all around the world.

If not, if you really only want to marry the individual, you must renounce your royal ties. Royalty is about service to the people. You can’t do that from abroad. It’s like asking if the Prime Minister, or the head of the Armed Forces, or the Church of England, or a Supreme Justice judge can live abroad and carry out their functions properly. No, they can’t.

TimeLady · 18/05/2020 14:08

One of the US tabloids is speculating about Frogmore (and more!) too this week Grin

Meghan and Harry Debacle part 2
Meghan and Harry Debacle part 2
RosesandIris · 18/05/2020 14:10

Don't most couples

But they are about as far away from being most couples as it is possible to be. Their lives were supposed to be a life of SERVICE. That’s why they get all the freebies , nice houses and clothes. It’s a deal. As RoseinHarlem says.

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BalloonSlayer · 18/05/2020 14:15

I suspect Harry promised her if it didn't suit her after a year or so they would leave, he promised anything that would get her to agree to marry him.

I'd imagine he thought she'd love it. But she didn't and what's more she held him to his promise. Sad

ARoseInHarlem · 18/05/2020 14:15

Honestly, my estimation of H&M’s intelligence would increase immensely if they gave up their titles (HRH and Duke/Duchess), did no more work for the RF, settled abroad and did their own thing. Private individuals. That’s a logical and fair thing to do. He’ll always be Charles’s son and William’s brother, and he’ll always be bankrolled by daddy/big brother and helped by the UK (because of the embarrassment they could be to the RF by virtue of the close relationships to the next two Kings). Nothing anyone can do about that. But at least show some semblance of not having a laugh at all those servicemen and women (military and other) who give up everything for their country. Right now Harry is showing as much patriotism as a retiree on the Costa del Sol. Meghan has absolutely none.

Mamamia456 · 18/05/2020 14:16

7Worfs - Do you have a link for the low key wedding and no titles?

RosesandIris · 18/05/2020 14:19

Right now Harry is showing as much patriotism as a retiree on the Costa del Sol
😁😁

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iVampire · 18/05/2020 14:24

Interesting to see that the (non-existent in US) tabloid linked above is reporting on a vow renewal.

Wasn’t the wedding of less that 2 years ago enough?

RosesandIris · 18/05/2020 14:25

I'd imagine he thought she'd love it. But she didn't and what's more she held him to his promise

Most probably, but she didn’t give it a chance. A year and a half after the wedding they were off. No one moving countries, newly married and with a baby could have settled in that time. Let alone with all the other adjustments she had to make. she just bottled it and ran.

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Amymone · 18/05/2020 14:28

I read that she left all her clothes in storage in Canada when she 'moved' to the UK.

ajandjjmum · 18/05/2020 14:37

Surely even M & H wouldn't get married again! That would be so crass - it's only a couple of years since their mega wedding which we so kindly forked out for!

AnotherBoredOne · 18/05/2020 14:38

Oh I would love to see Beatrice step up. Imagine what MM would think.(I was moved her biggest fan but it's so much harder these days :(

ajandjjmum · 18/05/2020 14:41

I think Eugenie and Jack would be the natural couple to move in to Frogmore Cottage - they've been married for longer than Bea & Ed, and we all love her! Grin The only downside would be that she would be on the same estate as her parents.

highmarkingsnowmobile · 18/05/2020 14:43

ARose you are spot on. But ha, she will never give up the titles. Haahaa.

HermanHermit · 18/05/2020 14:43

Yes! @Amymone - and the winter boots / puffer coats were dug out of Toronto storage for the brief spell in Vancouver island. Given how quick the bolt to LA happened, I imagine they’ve got very few possessions with them now.

The tax residence and domicile of Harry plus nationality of Archie and Meghan (I think Archie is currently British but would be entitled to dual US which hasn’t yet been taken, whereas Meghan is American with entitlement to both Canadian and British but only if she gets her arse back to Britain and lives there for a while - in fact I’m not sure if the past six months of sofa surfing mean that her immigration status for the UK is back to the starting point? So occupation “princess of the United Kingt” on Archie’s birth certificate, but not actually a citizen.

Retaining Frogmore is I think a critical element in all that- links to the uK being displayed (despite the Goring being more convenient on the basis it’s fully staffed to levels that they’re accustomed to)

iVampire · 18/05/2020 15:09

Frog Cottage is rather large for someone who is not the offspring of a monarch (or future monarch, given longevity)

If remodelled into two 5 bed dwellings, then it could perhaps become home to York of Wessex offspring.

But they might prefer to live in a London apartment? Though if Lady Louise had a future in competitive carriage driving, Windsor might be a good place for her

Amymone · 18/05/2020 15:10

Surely re-converting it into 5 dwellings would take the biscuit! 😂