Meghan and Harry Debacle part 2

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Has anyone seen that Lady Colin Campbell has written a book on Harry and Meghan using insider information. Apparently she’s has members of the Markle family to stay. She’s brave!

All these Zoom chats they are doing just smack of desperation and boredom.

Their entire relationship has been lived in a state of heightened excitement - a courtship of glitzy holidays, then an engagement, then wedding planning, then the wedding, then she was pregnant pretty much straight away, then they had Frogmore renovated, then Archie was born last May.

She was only back from maternity leave for a few months before announcing they were quitting the RF, and in that time they did the South Africa tour and made that documentary.

This year they had moved halfway round to world, first to Canada, now to LA. Theres been announcements about new charitable enterprises and new media policies. A new brand, a new website, hiring and firing left right and centre.

They are incapable of sitting still or just being a loved up married couple enjoying their time together.

I wonder if their decision would have differed had MM taken a one year maternity leave. I know some posters will be up in arms about this, but many women are more "hormonal" during pregnancy and thereafter (I know I was, and I also lost my outstanding memory when pregnant, enough that other women in my office joked about it).

As pointed out, that is a lot of change in a very short period, and, added to that, is MM's adjustment to the UK, which obviously, never occurred. But, I think she wanted to live a celebrity life, not a royal life.

I suspect Harry is going through that same homesickness right now, and it's probably worse, being cooped up in these extraordinary times. He may overcome that with time. With the exception of my husband, who not once longed for his homeland, I have never known any immigrant who didn't go through a period of profound homesickness, usually at around the 1 year mark in a new country.

I have noticed that couples who don’t have great marriages often seem to spend all their time with friends or are busy busy busy all the time. They often holiday with other couples. When they’re on their own they fight or do their own thing .Perhaps Meghan struggled in the UK because she wasn’t surrounded by her own friends and found Harry quite dull when they were on their own.

I thought the tour so soon after their marriage and with M in the early stages of pregnancy was a mistake. I don’t know whose idea it was, but they needed time to bed down and take stock. There was so little opportunity to just settle in and adjust. It was a chaotic whirl from the off.

@Wolfgirrl you've nailed it, I think. Very astute. They are the epitome of the saying about how you can travel to get away from your problems but you take your problems with you.

It is a very disjointed way to live. And an odd one to take dogs along on. Archie is probably the most able to cope with it at the moment: he's so young that as long as his parents and familiar toys are there, other surroundings won't really matter. But that won't last too much longer.

@Wolfgirrl that's very perceptive.

they needed time to bed down and take stock. There was so little opportunity to just settle in and adjust. It was a chaotic whirl from the off.

My cousin married a Conductor. Lots of evening performances and nights out.
By the time they divorced, about two or three years later I remember being amazed to hear they had spent no more than two evenings in alone together.

Though obviously H&M are having lots of evenings in alone together just now.
Unless you count partying with the nanny and the pool boy.

Well, we keep being told that they're enjoying all this private time they are having, just the three of them. Then another hostage style video appears, and we hear about another possible house move.

I can see why a tour was planned early doors, to take advantage of the new star addition , but given they'd said they wanted to start a family quickly, the two things didn't really mesh well. Like many women, I was exhausted in early pregnancy and wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere other than on my own sofa. (Then again, they don't really seem to go in for having their own sofa, or certainly not for long..)

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Idk if anyone has seen this. It’s from a few days ago. “We’ve made a huge mistake”

heatworld.com/celebrity/news/prince-harry-meghan-markle-mistake/

That seems to be a potted history of their relationship rather than giving any substance to the comment about them having made a mistake.

I don't know if they truly believe they made a huge mistake, but certainly, the world situation hasn't worked to their advantage, and they will have lost momentum by the time world economies turn around.

Meghan Markle was never going to have more than a fourth banana type of Hollywood career, as she hasn't got the "acting chops", and is aging out of romantic interest roles (sad but true in Hollywood). I read a few excerpts recently from her "working actress" blog, and she is a good writer. She probably could use that talent to parlay a blog site into an e-commerce venture.

They could probably live quite well on the interest from Harry's personal wealth, but it certainly wouldn't be a "royalty" or "Hollywood A-list" lifestyle. It would be the income, in Los Angeles, of a middling attorney or accountant.

I was a bit aghast at the transformation of Nott Cottage and then I read the article.

It's not their choice at all, it's how Blinds2go have "reimagined" it. Phew, quite glad they didn't do a royal residence up to look like a housing estate show home. The Toronto house looks a bit more like it (although that might be the landlord's furnishings).

Agree with Wolfgirl they are drama seekers who need constant entertainment and validation.

However I'm very torn over whether this is a bad situation for H. He is ill equipped to be a serving royal and he married someone who is even worse. They were both in entirely the wrong job. Getting out was probably the right thing for him and MM was the catalyst for this happening.

He is with someone who does all his thinking for him and whom he clings to like a vine. From the outside he looks very diminished by the relationship but maybe the dynamic is exactly what makes him happy.

If MM tells him he has a great purpose, he'll believe her.

I don’t think they would admit to anyone if they did think they’d made a mistake either. That isn’t Meghan’s style. I think more than anything, the frequency of pronouncements about how wonderful everything is and how much they are enjoying ‘family time’ (whatever that is with a full time nanny) are more of an indication that things aren’t so great.

The last line of that article is telling though.

"At times, Harry has thought it may be easier to go back to what he knows, but they are much more relaxed out in America and he knows this is where Meghan is happiest. His family’s happiness is the most important thing to him.”

Just catching up with this thread, and going back to an earlier comment, I think Harry looked stressed, anxious and exhausted on his wedding day. He was pale and had huge dark rings under his eyes.

He's looked unhappy ever since.

What about his happiness though? He has been asked to sacrifice everything for his wife. Where is he on the scale of importance?

“We’ve made a huge mistake”

Words you'll never hear H & M utter.

It is just interesting they announced their departure the very moment everything had come together, and they should have been enjoying a slower pace of life. Wedding was done, Archie had been born, house was ready to be lived in. Meghan could have taken a year's maternity leave out of the spotlight if she found the press coverage unbearable. Harry couldve just done some skeleton engagements and they couldve had a good chunk of family downtime to 'break in' their new house and enjoy their baby.

But they headed off abroad at every opportunity they got, and I forgot to add in even before they left, they had 6 weeks in Canada as a 'break' didn't they?

Jane Goodall, who got to know the couple, said 'Harry was finding life a bit challenging'.

In a world of spin, it's hard to trust sources. But this seems to be a genuine report from someone who is old enough not to give too much of a stuff and to say what she thinks. Add in a life committed to observing and analysing the behaviour of great apes, and I think she may be more trustworthy than many - including Meghan and Harry themselves.

There's an amusing and rather interesting article in yesterday's online edition of the Daily Telegraph.
I can't see a way to link it.
Is it a copyright NoNo to copy and paste the text?

Anyway, for starters...Ouch. Meghan will tell us nothing we could not have made up for ourselves!

“In a way, there is no mystery left,” Wilson laments. “Meghan will tell us nothing we could not have made up for ourselves; unlike Queen Victoria or Alfred the Great, there is nothing mysterious about her. Nothing at all!”

Kayaking - He is naturally pale, he is fair skinned. He was probably nervous, lots of people are on their wedding day. Don't forget millions of people were watching them say their wedding vows. There are plenty of wedding photos of him smiling and looking happy.

I have a gut feeling he regrets it but she doesn't, that's just my perspective though.