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The royal family

Meghan and Harry Debacle part 2

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RosesandIris · 10/05/2020 10:23

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Has anyone seen that Lady Colin Campbell has written a book on Harry and Meghan using insider information. Apparently she’s has members of the Markle family to stay. She’s brave!

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BalloonSlayer · 13/05/2020 09:36

Sorry for the tone comment Mummyoflittledragon, I just realised you did address that later in your post.

I wasn't looking for eyerolls etc, it wasn't like that bit between Meghan and Sophie W at the commonwealth service which I can't see at all, it was Zara Tindall lounging (she was 9 months pregnant so she can lounge all she likes!) on the seat with an openly amused WTF look on her face.

Viviennemary · 13/05/2020 09:37

I think the way they opted out wasn't managed well. That biting the lip interview when she said nobody asked how she was, really was the end. When they'd just be a tour of Africa. I suppose she ust didn't want to live the royal life. But what did she expect.

Mummyoflittledragon · 13/05/2020 09:47

BalloonSlayer
That’s fine, none taken. I get that preachers preach. 😊

iVampire · 13/05/2020 09:50

so how come someone who wants out is the bad guy?

They’re not. I don’t think there has been much if any criticism of deciding they want to step down. But an awful lot about how they did it. and the heap of contradictory actions

HermanHermit · 13/05/2020 10:00

Fergie is still scripted entirely by Jilly Cooper. She’s literally stepped out of the pages. Megs on the other hand is a bit more Misery / single white female (no racial undertones intended it’s the title of the book : film etc etc so you know, no abuse please).
I am curious to know which brands H as I call him and megs believe that they will attract to invest into their brand with this boohoo poor us in our gilded cage narrative. It makes them unrelatable but also cheap. She can’t seriously be expecting to rely on talent so what on earth is the business agenda behind all the moaning and freeloading?
I do hope lady c’s book outsells CRY FREEDOM or whatever the authorised one is

StartupRepair · 13/05/2020 10:10

Thing is H and M presumably wanted a big fancy wedding, titles, foreign tours and expressed their desire to hit the ground running. They appeared to be given everything they wanted. They could have had a more low key wedding, said no to a dukedom and lived quietly in the country getting to know each other and work out how they wanted to spend their lives. The narrative that they have been badly treated is hard to align with all the stuff we saw them getting.

bluebell34567 · 13/05/2020 10:42

i think M was welcomed RF but with her attitude she lost them.
'what M wants M gets' was the summary of her attitude and i think she acted too much of know it all and became a snob herself.

mateysmum · 13/05/2020 10:59

Re comments above about Meghan having a view of how things should be and if they're not then everybody else is wrong - I think that's a good point. She had a plan of how she was going to run her royal life and transform the stuffy old monarchy; then she came up against reality and it was a nasty shock. But I think Harry is equally responsible. He hates the press and royal duty (except the military)and marrying an intelligent and strong woman like M just enabled all his doubts and frustrations with his life.

I also think that M and Kate probably have zero in common. Even being married to these brothers is barely common ground, as their futures will be so different. M is all about pushing an agenda and making sure everybody knows it, lots of Californian empowerment speak. Kate is actually credited with the idea for Heads Together and several other recent initiatives, but this was not proclaimed or publicised. She has quietly carved out a niche for herself in childcare and mental health causes but it's never about me, me, me. She knows she can achieve far more for the public good through quiet activity than proclaiming from the rooftops about how great her ideas are then claiming victim status if things don't work out. She put up with far more press shit than M has, for years. She has one crucial advantage - a loving, close family, who no doubt offer her sound advice, keep her grounded and provide a place to let off steam.

I don't know if it's true, but I can well believe that she and M have had fall outs on the way to go about royal life.

bluebell34567 · 13/05/2020 11:08

She has one crucial advantage - a loving, close family, who no doubt offer her sound advice, keep her grounded and provide a place to let off steam.
i very much agree with that.

RosesandIris · 13/05/2020 11:19

Re the wedding and the Pastor.. I think most of us would probably be a bit aghast if we had gone to a wedding and been listening to such a performance. The difference is the cameras were on them all.

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RosesandIris · 13/05/2020 11:19

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TimeLady · 13/05/2020 11:25

The Middletons had the benefit of viewing the Diana/Fergie years from the public's perspective, like the rest of us of a similar age. My guess is that Kate - and indeed William - will have received useful, honest feedback.

Harry's never had that in his life, expect for piggy-backing on to Kate's family, but that's not the same relationship as William will have. I'm hoping he's not lost contact with the Tindalls, as they're probably as (relatively) grounded as they come in that family.

wombandovaries · 13/05/2020 11:29

I think the pastor is a bit of a metaphor really for Megs joining the RF. He was completely OTT to upper class British sensibilities. Meghan thought he was entirely appropriate. The pattern was set then IMO!

MissEliza · 13/05/2020 11:31

@BalloonSlayer I believe Zara later said she was dying for the toilet and the baby kept kicking her bladder! Give her a break.

CoffeeDay · 13/05/2020 11:37

She has one crucial advantage - a loving, close family, who no doubt offer her sound advice, keep her grounded and provide a place to let off steam.

Absolutely. One thing that somehow always stuck in my head was how way back when Kate was pregnant with George and admitted with HG, she was at home with her entire family (Bucklebury or whatever it's called?) when they decided she had to go to hospital. As awful as HG sounds, it was a touching thought that she was pregnant and sick but had all those people who cared about her close by.

Meghan's life seems so hollow, defined by success and money. She probably thought she would be envied and admired in the UK because she was besties with celebs and all kinds of powerful people in the US. She also threw away the chance to give Archie a big family and let him grow up close to his cousins and grandparents. It's clear that she has no idea how valuable a good family is to a child's development.

There is also a stark contrast to the way the children are growing up. Even though W&K are hugely higher up in security stakes, they tried to give their kids a normal, countryside life. They go to regular schools & activities, been in the same home for years, visit the same relatives etc. Archie has already taken more private jets than anyone else in a lifetime, and living isolated in a massive, empty mansion with screens on all sides. He's also been moved around 3 different countries in less than a year, with another impending move soon, unless they plan to mooch off Tyler Perry forever.

All the baby advice on MN says that routine is best, which implies having familiar rooms/toys/furniture/smells, same waking & naptimes, same trips to familiar places (eg playground, grandparents house). Can't imagine what kind of routine Archie had in the first 12 months but at least their parents have found freedom...

FannyCann · 13/05/2020 11:51

CoffeeDay. Also after George was born Kate and presumably W spent the first few weeks of his life cocooned with her parents at Bucklebury. Her father took the first photos of her with George. It looked lovely, resting in the garden, protected from prying eyes and cameras, lots of Carol's home cooking. A great start to motherhood for her.

Poor Diana was stuck in Kensington Palace with a maternity nurse.

No idea who helped Meghan after the birth.

Allflightscancelled · 13/05/2020 12:02

None of us know that, FannyCann. Because Megs makes everything about her life a massive secret, for some reason Hmm.
Even when no-one's really interested.

roses2 · 13/05/2020 12:05

I've always wondered - do these guys pay rent on the huge houses they stay in or is it a case of just knowing someone who knows someone? They don't even know the guy who's house they are staying in!

CanIHaveAPenguinPlease · 13/05/2020 12:14

Wasn’t Doria staying with them when Archie was born?

TimeLady · 13/05/2020 12:18

Meghan and Harry ‘go through three nannies in six weeks’ for baby Archie

metro.co.uk/2019/06/29/meghan-and-harry-go-through-three-nannies-in-six-weeks-for-baby-archie-10089095/

Looking at the list of former employees in that article, the Sussexes better watch out when it comes to dishing the dirt as there would appear to be several individuals out there with their own version of the 'Finding Freedom' story.

MissEliza · 13/05/2020 13:01

I have to Kate is very lucky with her family and I thought staying at Bucklebury was an ideal start to parenthood. She's undoubtedly the balanced person she is because of the strong family unit she's been lucky enough to grow up in.
Having had my first dc abroad surrounded by my horrible in-laws, I can imagine how hard it was for MM at the beginning. On the other hand, in the first few months of Archie's life, she was able to visit Wimbledon, the south of France and New York so I think she had it slightly easier than me stuck in a flat.

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 13/05/2020 13:06

I think at least one of those was only intended to be a temporary appointment (Samantha Cohen maybe?) to tide them over till they appointed someone permanent. I just say this because it's easy to get carried away with the negative reports and draw false conclusions.

We'll never know of course, because NDAs were signed by everyone. But if I was being mistreated by an employer my nearest and dearest would certainly be aware, so people outside the royal circle will definitely know where the bodies are buried.

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 13/05/2020 13:19

I do believe a lot of it comes down to misconceptions about status. Not unreasonably, MM will have thought that in becoming a member of the British RF she was in a position of some importance. And so she is, but in the hierarchy within the institution, she ranks somewhere below the corgis.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/05/2020 13:56

Re the wedding and the Pastor.. I think most of us would probably be a bit aghast if we had gone to a wedding and been listening to such a performance

I remember howling at a comment on here at the time: "someone's going to have to wrestle him to the floor soon" Grin
That said, I didn't care for the smothered smirks from some of the RF - for folk who are practised in putting a public face on things it seemed a bit rude

Totally agree about the benefits of Kate's lovely family background though, and what a shame most in the RF don't share a similar one. To pinch someone else's quote again: "William did well marrying into the Middletons"

RosesandIris · 13/05/2020 14:07

No idea who helped Meghan after the birth.

She had a maternity nurse. This was one of the nannies who was sacked I think or not needed after an initial stint.

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