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Harry and Meghan Debacle

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RosesandIris · 03/05/2020 16:07

Following on from Harry and Meghan Biography

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Tezza1 · 06/05/2020 03:08

@Wolfgirrl married Cressida or some other posh English rose

I hate to be nasty to Harry, but don't you think that Cressida would've very rapidly outgrown him?

Plus, is she English?

Tezza1 · 06/05/2020 03:11

@Wolfgirrl Sorry, got the ex-girlfriends mixed up.

However, in any case, she probably would've outgrown him.

HanaHeya · 06/05/2020 03:15

all the evidence we have today, centuries later, has been passed on by historians who would have been exclusively men

My god yes you’re right, our history is almost entirely chronicled by men

SpanishLady · 06/05/2020 06:15

Someone up thread said my only comment on the Henry, Katherine and Anne bit.

He waited 24 years to decide he really needed an heir..... mmmmmm

CanIHaveAPenguinPlease · 06/05/2020 07:29

I’m not so sure Arthur’s & Katherine’s marriage was so consummated- Katherine was devout & she swore it wasn’t consummated. I’m not so sure she’d have done sworn if it was untrue.

TimeLady · 06/05/2020 07:36

Topic#1 for the Skype call today?

Harry and Meghan Debacle
Oldbutstillgotit · 06/05/2020 08:02

Are we expecting to see a photo of Archie today or will that go against their wish for privacy ?

sunshinesupermum · 06/05/2020 08:06

If there s a photo of Archie today then that will truly illustrate their hypocrisy (desire for privacy).

Nishky · 06/05/2020 08:26

@Wolfgirrl have you seen Six - the musical

Highly recommended it. I have been wanting to read up on the six since I saw it. Thanks to this thread I will google Rebecca English

Nishky · 06/05/2020 08:30

Or do I need Alison Weir- have skim read the last few pages

Winterlife · 06/05/2020 08:31

I’m not so sure Arthur’s & Katherine’s marriage was so consummated- Katherine was devout & she swore it wasn’t consummated. I’m not so sure she’d have done sworn if it was untrue.

In those days, there would have been someone dressing them for bed, and it is known they were in bed together on their wedding night.

The morning after the wedding night, Arthur said to one of his servants, "for I have been, in this night, in the midst of Spain", and later expressed that it was a good pasttime to have a wife.

In his book on the wives of Henry VIII, David Starkey discusses the marriage of Henry and Catherine at length, and the consummation (or lack thereof) of her marriage to Arthur (or lack thereof). He also discusses why Catherine would later state her marriage to Arthur had not been consummated.

I tend to think, based on custom of the time, that consummation did occur, and Catherine lied not only because she viewed herself as the rightful Queen of England, but more importantly, she wanted to secure Mary's place.

ALovelyBitOfSquirrel · 06/05/2020 08:52

Gary Janetti on Instagram has some funny MM and other RF stuff

www.instagram.com/p/B9hvloHn2jG/?igshid=1ja6yzmb5dv23

www.instagram.com/p/B_0R902nIaM/?igshid=1xmps70aejp96

www.instagram.com/p/B8Mt3-YHcJM/?igshid=h6niddpph1ff

CanIHaveAPenguinPlease · 06/05/2020 08:58

Thank you Winterlife

Erictheavocado · 06/05/2020 09:00

Kensington Royal have just tweeted their birthday wishes to Archie.
I can't remember - were there birthday wishes to Louis ro Charlotte from the Sussexes?

Lordfrontpaw · 06/05/2020 09:03

Poor kid. So far away from most of his family.

wombandovaries · 06/05/2020 09:03

There’s an interesting theory that Henry suffered brain damage due to a jousting accident when Anne was pregnant. His subsequent personality change has been posited to be similar to personality changes seen in American Football Players that have sustained head injuries on the field. It’s such a fascinating period of history.
Personally I agree she was to a large extent a pawn, but I do think she had a degree of agency which she was intelligent enough to try to exploit to achieve the ultimate power of royal consort rather than royal mistress. She too caught a tiger by the tail and upset many powerful people on the climb to the top. There are lots of interesting parallels but then you can twist history to say whatever you like really. To make it that far you need a core of titanium (or dare I say tungsten!)

ArchePenguin · 06/05/2020 09:17

eric not public ones.

CanIHaveAPenguinPlease · 06/05/2020 09:19

Yes I’ve heard that theory about Henry but he’d already started being an arse to Katherine. But then different times 🤷🏻‍♀️

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 06/05/2020 09:20

Birthday wishes to Archie from the Royal Family and Kensington Royal Instagram accounts. RF have used that lovely pic with HMQ, the DoE and Doria in it.

Wolfgirrl · 06/05/2020 09:33

she was intelligent enough to try to exploit to achieve the ultimate power of royal consort rather than royal mistress

It is an interesting reflection on modern day society, now she would be called moral/principled for refusing to cheat with a married man and insisting he left his wife first. I do appreciate it wasnt that straightforward though.

Winterlife · 06/05/2020 09:47

Anne was mistress to Henry before his divorce. Their letters prove this.

Oldbutstillgotit · 06/05/2020 10:04

Back to H and M ( much as I was enjoying the History lesson ), Dickie Arbiter has tweeted that he ordered the Finding Freedom (🤮) book on Amazon but has received a message saying the order has been cancelled by the publishers .

WinnieTheW0rm · 06/05/2020 10:16

Nice pic with birthday greetings from Clarence House as well

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 06/05/2020 10:31

@Oldbutstillgotit do you think there's a chance the book hasn't actually been written yet, and it's all a bit of a publicity stunt?

thenightsky · 06/05/2020 10:34

I don't reckon its been written yet.