Harry and Meghan Debacle

[RosesandIris]

Following on from Harry and Meghan Biography

@phpolly

A nobody as in posh but not royalty.

Are you so deluded you think anyone that says anything negative about Kate must be a friend of Meghans behind a screen?

If you can think of a way in which I can confirm I am not without revealing my exact identity, I will be very happy to prove you to I am a late 20s mum of one living in South West England, who has never met any of the royals (meghan included) bar one bizarre occasion we happened to run into Edward and Sophie at a local landmark whilst walking our dog (this was when I was about 12 I think). They were having a tour of a local castle.

But even if I could prove my location etc you would probably find a way to say I had faked it 🙄

Well this thread has taken a bit of a strange turn!

Anne's sister Mary was previously Henry's mistress. It was a world where women were passed around for the king's pleasure and their family's advancement. Awful.

Acksherly I have several claims to Royal fame if anyone is interested.

I have been involved in events with Charles & Diana and Fergie (no Andrew, thank god).

DH stood on Sophie's toe at a do we were invited to, and the security didnt even behead him or anything. She was very nice about it.

Was Fergie very jolly and friendly (as I always seem to hear)?

I think the real problem we have with Anne Boleyn is that all the evidence we have today, centuries later, has been passed on by historians who would have been exclusively men, and perhaps more likely to blame the woman. It's entirely possible Anne was more innocent than was more innocent than history would have us believe; perhaps she was thrown in Henry's way by her father, who was well known to Henry at court.

On the other hand, why did Henry not divorce Catherine to marry one of his many other mistresses? Bessie Blount had provided him with an illegitimate son and even Anne's sister Mary was another mistress. He'd been married to Catherine for 24 years - what was it about Anne in particular that made him finally divorce Catherine, potentially triggering war with Spain and its Catholic allies?

Anyway, to avoid derailing the thread any further, I'll just say that thankfully we're no longer dependent on centuries of male-authored history books to make up our own minds about royal wives such as Wallis and Meghan. We can just read Rebecca English and her ilk instead

Fergs was alright actually, pretty jolly and friendly to everyone. What was much more exciting was that we had 4 trumpeters from some sort of Royal regiment to trumpet her arrival and then the start of the event. They were dressed up to the bloody nines, all over 6' tall and very handsome. Wearing those kind of breastplate thingys.

Wolfgirrl
I'm not following you around Mumsnet, I was on the thread about being proud to be Welsh, and I disliked your sneering attitude towards your Welsh relatives, so I commented. I was on that thread because I am Welsh and I was interested in other people's opinions. I'll be sure to give you an extremely wide berth now though.

Catherine was previously married to Henry's older brother (but didnt consummate the marriage) who then died

Historians discount this. The lack of consummation was used as an excuse to allow Henry to marry Catherine. It's beleived that her marriage to Arthur was consummated.

The marriage was actually annulled, not divorced. And the reason for the annulment was that Catherine had bern married to Henry's brother and the marriage was consummated!

@yoloPenguinsEatfish

I'm related to HM via our dogs.

ooh now that is a SERIOUS claim to fame mamansnet!

@BlueChangling sorry, what was it you said about derailing your thread...? 😂

@yoloPenguinsEatfish

When I first saw the title of the biography I thought, who does she think she is Nelson Mandela?

I won't be buying it because I don't want to add to the sales. I'm sure the best bits will be in the newspapers so I will hold out for that.

It is little Archie I feel sorry for in this whole thing. He has been flown halfway round the world to a continent where he has only one family member (that they are in contact with). Unless they have another baby he could be really quite lonely, no big family Christmases etc.

As for Harry, I wonder if he lies awake at night sometime imagining what would have happened if he had married Cressida or some other posh English rose. They'd probably have the next stately home along from kate and william, their kids would grow up together and they would probably form a tight knit little group. It's all really sad.

Agree with all of the above wolfgirrl. But I think both Cressida and Chelsey looked into the abyss...

Now need to know about mamanset and her corgis/dorgis! or actually possibly gundogs so labs/spans?

if he had married Cressida or some other posh English rose
Then everything would have been OK?That's what they want you to think!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8287879/amp/Harry-Meghans-biography-reaches-bestseller-list-24-hours.html

Unbelievable!

@yoloPenguinsEatfish you'll have to buy my biography!

The full story is too outing, but in a nutshell, I met her a couple of times, years back. We talked dogs and then she had a litter of pups with the same father as mine. So half siblings. Bit like a canine episode of Jeremy Kyle.

Dog cousins??? Do they have a tiara?

Imagine if Harry had married Pippa! Shame they never hit it off romantically.

Katherine of Aragon had a horrendous time trying to produce an heir, as did so many women at that time. Pregnancy and childbirth was a precarious thing in those days. I have a negative blood group, whereas dh has a positive blood group. A couple of generations ago, that would have meant I would likely have lost many children. Now it just takes a couple of injections to prevent that. We are so lucky.

@Binglebong Do you mean that the marriage was not consummated? If it had been, that would not have allowed an annulment, at least, not on those grounds.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. When henry wanted to marry her (and she him) it was claimed the marriage hadn't been consummated so he was not marrying his brothers wife. When he wanted rid he said the marriage HAD been consummated so his marriage to Catherine was not valid and should be annulled. He also claimed he learned this while praying to find out why there wasn't a healthy son born - they were being punished for sinfully being unwed!

Didn't Henry base his crisis of conscience on something to do with Leviticus? From the Old Testament?.

Also, Henry probably had problems with the fact that Katharine's nephew, Charles V's (Holy Roman Emperor, King of Spain, etc, etc ) mainly Lutheran soldiers had sacked Rome, and Pope Clement VII was virtually a prisoner.

Might have slowed the chance of a rubber stamped annulment.