Harry and Megs in LA

[RosesandIris]

Continuing on from the last thread.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8161915/JAN-MOIR-Meghans-got-wanted-Harrys-given-much.html

Don't know if this has already been posted, but it sums things up pretty well.

@Ritascornershop there are still definitely clear differences btw the US and Canada. I have some Canadians in my life and they make the distinctions very clear . Which is why my writing president instead of prime minister was a mis-type/bringing the wrong word to mind and not ignorance!

I think New Zealanders have a similar bee in their bonnet to mine

Loving the insights into Canadian society rita and the diff between the US, I dont think the English really get that they are two diff countries sometimes - it's perhaps all a bit 'over the pond'?

I think H will be a fish out of water to be honest. I honestly dont see him happy to be the plus one, to be the house husband and the supporter - he's had 35 long years of being told how important and special he is, walking away from that takes a lot of guts, or desperation or stupidity. I guess we'll find out which.

Time will tell. Interesting point Dandy that meg knew exactly what was expected but didn’t comply. I don’t think harry will ever admit to making a mistake as that will make him look like a fool.

The DM online has a story that they left Canada because Trudeau refused to pay for their security also tax reasons .

That house in the Jan Moir article . I have a thing about houses with swimming pools on the doorstep.
I've no idea why people out their swimming pools so close. Screaming toddler danger not to mention drunk pottering around danger.

My sister who lives in Australia has a paediatrician friend who was instrumental in getting government to legislate that all swimming pools have childproof fencing around them. He was sick of seeing drowned children arriving in A&E. She had a major fall out with another sister on a visit back home as she declared she couldn't stay at her house due to the unfenced swimming pool (albeit a walk away from the house and surrounded by dense hedges) and it was too much of a risk to her children. The invitation to stay was huffily withdrawn.

Anyway, I agree with her. Swimming pools should be apart from the house and safely fenced.
Don't buy that house Harry.

Good point yolo about having been told how important he is and now being number two. If he couldn’t handle it with William, why would he be able to cope w being less important than Meghan.

Based on body language and gossip the resenting W seems likely. It also strikes me S bloody odd as the rest of us can wrap our heads around how line of succession works and his lesser importance due to birth order, why can’t Harry? Also he was in the military, surely he can grasp how established hierarchy works.

I think Harry was absolutely fine with the hierarchy before he met Meghan. I think it is M who has all the problems with hierarchy and so H has taken on her attitudes.

@AmeliaE

They certainly missed a big opportunity there!! But it's not too late. Why don't you post a suggestion to their Instagram?

With all the negative comments, they'll surely apppreciate at least one post from someone supportive of their endeavours and think about the good they'll be doing!!

My heart is aglow at the mere thought.

I don’t think harry will ever admit to making a mistake as that will make him look like a fool

That rather supposes that the choice would be his. After all, in any marriage it's open to either partner to call time on it ...

I think Harry's choices have largely been made as he was desperate to find 'the one' - Chelsey and Cressida had turned him down as they didn't want the 'royal' life - and he probably thought that Meghan, as an actress, would be well suited. The fact that she was obviously very attractive probably helped too.

He was jealous of William from the family point of view, rather than position (imo), which is why he reacted so badly to William suggesting that he might be rushing things rather with Meghan.

I don't know whether he will ever have the courage - if he is unhappy - to own up to his mistakes, and look for a new path - or come back to the UK.

Despite his idiocy, I do feel sorry for him. He willingly boarded a runaway train.

I think Harry's choices have largely been made as he was desperate to find 'the one' - Chelsey and Cressida had turned him down as they didn't want the 'royal' life

Was there not cheating involved and/or bad treatment of these partners by H (or, am I thinking of someone else)?

I'm not sure Barley. He and Chelsey were together from when they were relatively young, so maybe?

I think Cressida wanted to work as a serious actress (rather than a bbq queen!) - but also Harry expected her to buy her own flight ticket to attend one of his friend's weddings, which she apparently thought was pretty tight. As it was.

Who really knows what goes on inside other people's relationships.

I believe this is as much Harry's decision as Meghan's.

I suspect he did want a family life like William's, but there are some glaring differences:

1. Kate comes from an intact family that appears to be quite close. The Middletons embraced WIlliam, and even gave him a sense of family that he didn't really have. MM comes from a very dysfunctional family dynamic. Harry will have to build that family solely with MM and their children.

1. Kate is British. She grew up in the UK. She understands the culture and the "codes". If Kate had been told "HM will be wearing a hat", she would have understood exactly what that meant, immediately.

1. I don't believe Kate is someone who desires the limelight.

I agree that Harry seemed desperate to find a woman to fall in love with - he really was an easy mark, especially after having two previous girlfriends reject him and all he had to offer.

On paper he would seem to have been one of the most eligible bachelors in the world but in reality he had failed to get Chelsy to marry him (which I understand he had wanted to do at a point in their relationship) and then Cressida walked away (I could be wrong but I also read that he didn't always treat her well - still it was her who left him).

So along came Meghan who would have seemed perfect very quickly - same environmental/charitable interests, beautiful, experienced to the limelight so would handle that well... The problem is he really didn't take anytime to experience a real relationship with Meghan before they rushed into marriage. It was long distance for a year with lots of short romantic get-togethers and then a few months or so of actual cohabitation in the cottage at Kensington Palace before he proposed. He never met her father, they never took anytime to figure out a game plan to handle her awful family or let the palace help them with that side.

That Harry didn't see or want to see the inevitable problems with rushing into marriage with a woman (imo he didn't really know) and to recklessly ignore her explosive family situation when the world's media would be on them was a sign he didn't think clearly or much at all through during that time. Cynically, if I was Meghan I would have pushing for marriage at breakneck speed from the first date before Harry could take a moment to step back a seriously consider everythign or his family could influence him with concerns.

I can see how Harry might loathe the gilded cage. I can see that he might have wanted to run away. Be freeeee.

But he’s gone from the frying pan to the fire. He’ll be eaten alive in LA. People will only want them to the extent they can make money out of them. MM can look after herself, I’m sure, and will protect him I’m sure. But it’s all her gig.

It’s very emasculating for a certain type of man.

Harry better be stocking up on the factor 50. Otherwise he will soon get ridiculously sunburnt.

Cynically, if I was Meghan I would have pushing for marriage at breakneck speed from the first date before Harry could take a moment to step back a seriously consider everythign or his family could influence him with concerns.

Didn't she say in the engagement interview that she said 'yes, yes, yes' before he could even get the full sentence out?

How did I miss your AmeliaE - it’s a stupendous idea. I’m ashamed that I didn’t think of it myself

I remember watching that bit in the engagement interview and feeling some foreboding. She played him carefully I think, telling him what he wanted to hear and reeling him in. I think she thought she’d give Royal life a try, and if it didn’t work for her (enhance her image and engender slavish devotion from the public) she would cut and run.

She really didn’t hang around too long did she? It very soon went sour. I think Harry was given an ultimatum as one of the articles linked above suggests. He had no choice.

When I said earlier she didn’t understand the RF, it was the tedium and inability to escape that I think she didn’t get. She understood tiaras and glamour. She didn’t understand protocol and not being first in line. She had staff leave and soon after marriage she didn’t seem to embrace or enjoy her role. Harry, if he is to be believed, will miss his military charities and what he built up here since leaving the military. He will be remote from that now. The Duke of Windsor could never get to grips with his exile and wanted to be “useful”. But the Queen Mother wouldn’t have it so they remained estranged. We will see what happens this time.

It is only Meghan’s connection to the RF that makes her interesting in the usa. Suits wasn’t a major hit and there are hundreds of actresses like her. But none are married to Harry. She’s unique but not more talented than anyone else.

William was incredibly lucky to meet someone who really did give him the 'family he'd never had'.

The Duke of Windsor could never get to grips with his exile and wanted to be “useful”. But the Queen Mother wouldn’t have it so they remained estranged

The equivalent in this version of history repeating would be Kate creating the barrier to a return. I really can't see that though, certainly in the event of a Sussex split. She and Harry have always seemed to have a genuinely warm and affectionate relationship.

Re Kate- You can push someone to far though Buttery she didn’t exactly seem overjoyed at the commonwealth service to see them. I don’t blame her for that & I wouldn’t blame her for cutting them out if it was needed.