Harry & Meghan what they’ll do next - Thread 2

[DandyAF]

Carrying on the conversation as the last thread finished mid-discussion.

Being charitable, it is possible to be enormously proud of being succesfully pregant, and then enormously protective of the resulting baby?

I don’t think any of us wishes the baby anything but good.

But baby featured large on xmas post

When no one requested

These photos are their passport into Hollywood celebrity

If so, it's a shame about the looks on some of the meeters and greeters' faces tonight - though they're perhaps not surprising given the comments being made in military chat groups

Let's just say that if some of those opinions were aired here, Mumsnet would go into meltdown ...

Can't believe they got a standing ovation.

Absolutely agree that we want the best for Archie. He's the person I worry most about in terms of the repercussions from this. I hope they can find a way to give him a nice life and it's not too isolating. Hopefully they'll be able to have another child - it's what they said they wanted.

Archie looks like Thomas Markle a lot, as he wished so at an interview.

Their outfits are stunning tonight, and they do look like a team, beautifully co-ordinated.

My head agrees but my heart feels it reduces the uniform he is wearing to a costume, or prop. I'm not from a military background so maybe I'm overthinking, but I feel the uniform signifies more than the wearer.

Just looked at the photos. I grew up in that kind of (senior military) environment, ok so maybe not quite so senior as H! but it would have been seen as very poor form to try and match the outfit of the colonel's lady to that of the colonel (for eg) just to make great pictures. The idea would have been to provide, and be seen to doing so, support to those the event was in aid of. And you can be pretty sure the colonel's lady would have been actively involved on the ground while her DH was doing the colonel thing.

xpost fleas!

Great minds, yolo!

They both look amazing in red!

And this is my dilemma. H sees M as his equal, he treats her as such, includes her in every part of his life, they are very obviously a team. My old feminist bones should be rejoicing at this. And yet they don't.

I think they confuse their personal relationship with their royal one. Harry has given away too much of what is not his to give.

but my heart feels it reduces the uniform he is wearing to a costume, or prop

Yes. So sad.

Harry has given away too much of what is not his to give.

Yes indeed. Perfectly put.

I agree my imaginary cat

I actually feel quite emotional about the 'reducing the uniform to a prop' issue.

It's hard to put into words, but anyone who has a family member in the services will, I think, understand.

No one goes into the services because they want to kill people. But having joined and sworn their loyalty to the crown, they become a special band, people who no longer have a choice really - they've pledged to serve the monarch and it does actually mean someting to them.

Not sure where I'm going with this, but GF was Indian Army and my father was Navy, so it is quite close for me. So the idea that someone dresses up to look pretty and it matches the uniform doesnt sit well with me...

Whilst feeling annoyed and fed up with the pair of them, I also feel very sad. I think Harry looks weighed down in those photos. Perhaps the magnitude of what he’s walking away from is dawning on him . M will not feel the same at all. She’s going out with a bang and two fingers up to the Establishment. The Establishment has been his whole life up till now. I don’t feel M realises what this means for him, not really. Even if he’s excited by the future and glad to be rid of the shackles, he is shedding his skin so completely he must wonder who he is.

Yes yolo, I know exactly what you mean about the uniform. Although I thought the red dress looked amazing, it kind of cheapened his uniform somehow, like it was reduced to a fancy dress party or something.

thank you pelican it's so hard to put in words really... but a pretty frock is so trivial in comparison?

In a way I feel it was inappropriate to wear a dress like that. Tonight should have been his moment. She couldn’t even let him have that. Or am I being very unfair? Yes, they are a team, etc. However tonight must have been very emotional and difficult for him.

Reading that insight makes me really sad.

I sway between 'he believed her and she truly loves him and cares for him'

To not at all and she will ruin his life.

Great posts yolo & fleas.

They’ve shown scant respect to the military the traditions he’s been brought up in. Another British institution they’ve dissed.

mm lower case looks stunning and has totally outstaged H. I can't help thinking their co-ordinating outfits make his uniform look like fancy dress. Poor Harry. Such is her ego that she couldn't even give him this final moment.