Harry & Meghan what they’ll do next - Thread 2

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Carrying on the conversation as the last thread finished mid-discussion.

I hadn’t even picked up on the steps down part of the statement and after the attempt to cleverly phrase about Harry and Meghan not using their HRH (but still having it), I’m now sceptical about what it means. I never thought the queen would abdicate but I wonder if she has decided if she is still alive at 100 that will be her cut off and she will retire.

Maybe there’s health concerns regarding the Queen. The palace might be aware that’s its very likely there’ll be a time when she’s too frail to physically carry out the role.

As Harry is leaving people are naturally asking questions about succession so in that sense the timing isn’t completely random. I do genuinely thinks it’s likely our thread prompted the Q though. We know the Daily Mail reads MN and the royal threads would be prime fodder for them.

Well there have been rumours (absolutely no idea if they have any validity) that there is a plan in place not for HMQ to officially step down but for PC to become Prince Regent.

An elegant solution perhaps to allow the Queen to uphold her perceived life long duty whilst in reality PC is running the show?

It would actually make a good transition I think for Charles and would allow HMQ to semi-retire/retire without having appeared to do so. She could attend a few key events but all the "red box's", state visits, PM meetings etc etc would be fir PC to address.

Frankly I'm amazed she's still able to do what she does at her age.

I don't think anyone would resent her saying she needs to slow down the pace.

I think how the question was asked is also important. An official press release would probably be well worded and carefully thought out.

Whereas a casual question between a journalist and a source they know could be more "Here, that Mumsnet lot are speculating about Camilla, what's the deal?"

"When Her Maj... steps down... she'll be Princess Consort..."

We just don't get to see the tone

I'd be happier if we didn't see or hear about Meghan and Harry for a while

Not gong to happen. They have a string of public engagements between now and the Commonwealth Service on 9/03

Agree with DeRigeur that steps down means when PC becomes Regent. As he wouldn't be King because he will only become King when HMQ dies, then naturally Camilla will remain a Princess. She's Princess of Wales now, but doesn't use that title as we know.

Philip 'retired' at 95. I think HMQ will do the same. I agree she won't abdicate, but will make Charles Regent.

Thanks for all the explanations on the other threads about precedence and so on, it was really interesting.

The RF are an anachronism really aren’t they?

Agree that the 'stepping down' will be in the form of Charles becoming Regent or some other way of him taking on the substance of the role while the Queen nominally remains Queen. She's adhered to the 'whole life' principle for so long now, she wouldn't give it up at the last.

I am actually, I think, more sceptical about the Queen herself than many on these threads (have seen plenty of 'I respect the Queen but not the rest of them' type posts) but I saw a clip of her delivering that 'my whole life, whether long or short...' speech the other day and found myself unexpectedly moved by it. It's an acceptance of a very long term commitment in a way it's very hard for today's generation - told they will have a portfolio career, encouraged to keep reinventing themselves - to comprehend. That's not their fault. It just shows how the world has changed.

Duchess of Cornwall will not be known as Queen when her husband Prince Charles ascends the throne, the palace has confirmed

Sounds like just more palace spin to me - understandable at such a time - but does anyone seriously imagine Charles would accept that?

Personally I'm more interested in how she'd cope with the traditional Commonwealth tour for the new monarch, given that she's already bunked off early from those to Africa and Australia

Does Camilla have any health issues? I wouldn’t be able to do the tours & I’m a good 15 years younger than her & have health issues. Makes me wonder if she has.

Charles and Camilla could be in their 80s when they take the throne. I imagine any Commonwealth tours that need to be done might well fall to William and Kate.

Does Camilla have any health issues?

We can't possibly know - though as a lifelong smoker it's not unlikely - but Seneca makes a fair point that they could both be very aged by the time it's their "turn"

So since regency's been mentioned, perhaps Charles could be King in name only and appoint William regent right from the start? (And no, I wouldn't expect him to accept that either )

For our posters from other commonwealth countries. Do you think when the Queen is no longer with us that the other countries will choose to distance themselves from the monarchy. Given how much money they have to contribute I can’t imagine them wanting to stay long term.

What on earth was all that waffle on the last thread at the end about HaM being in the US news loads and listing all the networks. Someone was overly invested to make it appear HaM were seemingly highly regarded in US coverage

As well as potential ill health Camilla has a serious fear of flying so I don't think we'll see her country hopping much when Charles becomes King.

Her mother and grandmother both suffered severe osteoarthritis and that does tend to run in families.

I don’t think the Queen will abdicate but surelybshe will be less able to continue her workload, Ipso facto Charles will have to step up, and so will William.

Incidentally, I was out with friends last night who were adamant that Wills had THE affair when Kate was pregnant with Louis and this is why the brothers fell out, nothing to do with MM.

Camilla has a serious fear of flying

I guess that makes Camilla more environmentally friendly than most, if only by default.

It has struck me that we haven't seen Meghan recently and I wondered if she might be pregnant. They've said they'd have two and her age forgive me suggests that that might be sooner rather than later. I suppose we may, or may not, find out when they attend CD 🤷🏽‍♀️
It strikes me that just reappearing one day with baby two, having never announced a pregnancy might well be something they'd do, or at least like to do.

Sussex Did your friends have any inside knowledge or was that just their take?

Even if they did have inside knowledge, a family fallout is one of those instances where versions of events can vary widely. Harry may believe they fell out because of X, but William may believe that even though X was mentioned, the real reason they fell out is Y. Or vice versa.

As for the affair, I have my hunch on whether that’s true but no inside knowledge.

They are well connected and vair posh with even more well connected and vair posh friends, so who knows?

I said that he’d got Rose Hanbury pregnant, they asked my source, I said Mumsnet, and they burst out laughing, so who knows?

When will Meghan arrive in UK? Do they have to rush to thank the Canadians again?

Thanks for the link. I've just tried it and it just goes to a (very busy) index page now. I did a search for it too and nada. Has the story been removed?

If the Daily Mail are following these threads I want to make it known that I would like Camilla to be known as Queen please. I think she's earned it and deserves it. So if they could just put a little word in I'd be grateful .

I'm enjoying the diversion more than the H&M stuff. Perhaps a spin off thread so that this one isn't derailed again?

I was out with friends last night who were adamant that Wills had THE affair when Kate was pregnant with Louis and this is why the brothers fell out, nothing to do with MM.

There was a blind about MM leaking this story to Giles Coren who, just before he tweeted about it, had spent time with H&M in Amsterdam. It was never true but intended to take the heat off her and make it seem like H&M were the innocent and aggrieved in all of this whilst painting PW as the villain.

Do they have to rush to thank the Canadians again?

Ha! Can anyone tell me what that was about last time? It seemed odd. Was it related to the security provision.