Harry and Meghan what they’ll do next

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Let’s strive to keep on topic and not engage with posts designed to disrupt.

So a house with a very interesting and royal pedigree no less....

I think there's a bit of a difference between respecting the titles and giving them refuge.

I think that had the Tsar and his family escaped abroad the British royals would have still viewed Nicholas as the Tsar, Alexei as Tsarevich, the daughters as Grand Duchesses etc

The fact they didn't risk their own titles, and safety, at a turbulent time is another level of conflict

I think that's a very fair point lyra but nonetheless it demonstrates that there is very much a limitation on "Royal relationships" and ultimately when push comes to shove, protection of each individual monarchy trumps all.

As an aside I watched a documentary about Prince Albert of Monaco and in it there was a section where he was introduced to the new British French ambassador (we don't have a separate ambassador for Monaco).

In it the ambassador presented a letter of appointment from HMQ which was signed off as "your sister and cousin, Elizabeth R" from memory and it was explained that this is how European royals refer to one another regardless of the actual blond relationship ie there is a kinship in being Royal.

There is also poor Guilford Dudley the teenage husband of Lady Jane Grey, who was supposed to get the title when Jane was crowned. He, like her, was beheaded as a traitor.

I never knew Lady Jane Grey married!
Did he like the idea of being king and encourage her accession to the throne I wonder? Or was he pushed into accepting it alongside her? Poor things. What brutal times.

Fizzy I think beatrices husband to be has his own titles in Italy IIRC so she may gain some extra ones

If nothing else this thread has been a fascinating one for people like me whose royal history knowledge is a bit dodgy .
Re H and M , according to the Mail ( sorry ) Archie is not travelling over with M next week and apparently HMQ and PP are upset .

Beatrice will become a Contessa: story in today's DM

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8060603/How-Beatrice-Contessa-marrying-family-posher-own.html

And Princess Anne spotted on the tube

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8060645/TALK-TOWN-Humble-Princess-Anne-shows-call-Harry-ordinary-really-means.html

and it looks as though Archie is being left behind again

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8061057/Queen-left-sad-Meghan-WONT-bring-Archie-joins-Prince-Harry-week.html

I never knew Lady Jane Grey married!

There was a film made in the 80s about it, just called Lady Jane I think, with Helena Bonham Carter and Cary Elwes as teenage lovers Jane and Guildford Dudley. Haven't seen it in many years but loved it at the time! @FannyCann

If I was them I would very reasonably say that if they weren’t going to bring their 9 month old baby along with his mother then his mother would be staying at home with him. That’s completely understandable. They’re leaving the RF anyway so it’s fine if Meghan doesn’t come. I would never judge anyone for doing that in the interests of not upsetting their small baby.

The baby is probably closer bonded with the nanny though if the nanny is there all the time.

Leaving children behind for royal tours and trips has always been a thing. It only started to change with Charles and Diana’s generation. Didn’t the Queen go of to Australia when Charles was very young? It’s not like Archie will be left to fend for himself.

Indeed and it clear none of the Queen’s children have any emotional issues whatsoever.

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What makes you think Archie is more bonded with the nanny when H&M have not done that many engagements. MM only went to some Canada based charities - it doesn't look like overnight stays, only the JP Morgan thing was away. They have been seen around town with him shopping, walks, coffee shops etc. Looks like they are doing most of things for themselves over there. So don't see what you are basing your assumptions on.

H&M cannot win with bringing the baby over or not. If they bring him, the risk Coronavirus on a plane. If they take private, it's a big deal. If they leave him some reporter bloats the security cost to get everyone mad.

Leaving children behind for royal tours and trips has always been a thing.

That doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do. I think our recent deviation has established that the royal way hasn’t always been the best way.

Also, isn’t the whole point of HaM that they don’t ‘do’ the royal traditions, are modernising and doing what’s best for Archie? That’s what they’ve been praised for by supporters and the archaic and emotionally-stunting royal traditions criticised.

Does anyone truly believe that’s what’s best for a nine month old baby is to be away from both parents for at least five days?

I believe that nanny’s do tend to travel. So not sure why his doesn't (or don’t, as it’s likely to be nannies plural).

Ugh apostrophe abuse. Typo.

Infact if I was MM, I would take a private jet. Just like Kate did last week after telling us she is healing the earth.

Tsk tsk Mummy, dontcha know only H&M take private jets while discussing environmental issues?

I read that Meghan is going to be doing something public for International women’s day. I don’t know what it is and in what country.
If it’s overseas or not close to them in Canada, wouldn’t it be nice instead of leaving her young baby to travel to wherever it is, if she did it from somewhere nearby home? or even did her speech from home via video link? She used to work on the small screen so I’m sure she’d do a fab job of that.

I can understand why they don’t want to fly with Archie, it’s fair enough. I just don’t think RF should be putting any pressure on Meghan to still be coming without him. If that’s what is happening though.. I’ve no idea obviously.

Dandy I don’t agree with them leaving Archie behind (if that is what is actually going to happen) primarily from a security cost. However, I don’t think they should be castigated for it. Don’t posters on this website tell mothers all the time that it is fine to go on business trips and the child will be fine. I know both H&M will be away but I’m trying to be fair in my feelings about it.

Right so PH didn’t meet his future FIL & everyone thought it odd. Beatrice hasn’t met her future FIL & no one commenting? I for one think it’s odd she’s not him.

I feel really sorry for HM and PP. Also the wider family. She seems to be completely oblivious to the fact that he is their great grandchild and they won't live much longer. PC is the child's only grandfather now and she is depriving her child of having a family.

alliwant fair post. I think a big difference between MNers on a business trip and MM is that the former presumably are not expected to come avec child, won’t be allowed to take their child with them when working, can’t afford a nanny to go with them, and don’t have support staff or family to help them at the country they’re travelling to.

Quite a big difference.

Doria seems to be out of the picture these days

I was thinking about Doria recently. I think she knows her daughter very well and generally is getting on with life and giving Meghan complete control over their relationship.