Harry and Meghan what they’ll do next

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That inherent sexism again Lyra. Prince Albert as King Consort may have been perceived by the public (and presumably by other world leaders and dignitaries) as being senior to Queen Victoria although despite "only" being Prince Consort he managed to upset the government apple cart rather a lot. Is this why Prince Phillip remains a Prince and Duke rather than King Consort?

Philip also suffered from being a foreigner. He wasn't even a Prince of the UK until 1957. His FIL created him Duke of Edinburgh, the Queen made him a Prince later. Even being a Prince originally didn't get him a British Princely title at first.

"Royal Family for Dummies" cat. Perhaps Lyra, DeRig, Seneca et al could put their heads together to produce this and make a fortune selling it to folks like you and I smile

I don't know half as much as the other two mentioned. If it hasn't been my son's obsession then I don't know it. The royals have been his obsession for the last couple of years

Catherine Parr is buried at Studeley Castle
I think she’s the only queen buried away from the other royals

Sorry, Sudeley Castle...in the Cotswalds

Yes, William and Mary were first cousins and he was also close in the line of succession. The William and Mary situation produced the only instance in which a woman was heir apparent rather than heir presumptive. The settlement protected Anne's rights after Mary's death and William's survival. It provided that if William married again and had children, they would come after Anne in the succession, so after Mary's death, Anne was heir apparent to William.

I’m preferring the deviation!

Catherine Parr is buried at Studeley Castle
I think she’s the only queen buried away from the other royals

Was that because she remarried after Henry VIII, because of a decision made by her family or Edward Seymour (presumably Edward VI was too young to have a say) on behalf of his brother (who was her widow)?

She remarried after Henry’s death and lived at Sudeley castle with her 4th husband. She died following childbirth complications

I’m enjoying this segue into Royal history.

Does anyone know if there has been another a Duchess of Cornwall who has used it as their main title?

I think Camilla will automatically become Queen.
Although when people talk about the next Queen; I think most people have Kate in mind. There is still a grey area around Camilla.
But she has done well,to rehabilitate herself.

What would happen in a same sex marriage - if partner A is Duke of Bagshot Park (to avoid any inference of a real live scenario) upon marriage does new husband become Earl of Bagshot Park - i.e. maintains attachment to place, or would they become Duke of Little Bagshot Park.... so they have similar rankings but can't both be the Duke of the same place....?

Yes, I know what happened to Catherine Parr after Henry VIII died but I was wondering why she wasn’t still buried with other royals. Then again, Catherine of Aragon wasn’t buried with other royals either.

I’ve often wondered about the same sex thing.
One of the Queen’s cousins has come out and is married to his husband.
Said husband has kept his own name

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Ivar_Mountbatten

What happens to the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge titles?
Do they go back in the pot?
Do,W&K automatically become Prince and Princess of Wales; or do they have to be “created and invested”.

Do George, Charlotte and Louis change their surnames from Cambridge to Wales?

I think the prince of Wales title isn’t automatic but the duke of Cornwall one is.

I assume Cambridge goes back in the pot but I’m not sure?

I’m nowhere near as interested in the history and names as some of you BUT it’s so interesting from a social & legal perspective. The rules having to change in response to societal progression, and not quite keeping up. Bit like our legal system ...

What happens to the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge titles?
Do they go back in the pot?
Do,W&K automatically become Prince and Princess of Wales; or do they have to be “created and invested”.

If Charles becomes King then William will automatically be Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge

He has to be created as Prince of Wales. He doesn't have to be invested, that will probably depend on public mood at the time. Prince Charles was created Prince of Wales in 1958 and not invested until 1969.

William's titles will go back in the pot when he becomes King

Do George, Charlotte and Louis change their surnames from Cambridge to Wales?

It'll probably depend how old they are. William kept Wales as his surname throughout his Search & Rescue work even when he could use Cambridge so that'll be down to choice.

What would happen in a same sex marriage - if partner A is Duke of Bagshot Park (to avoid any inference of a real live scenario) upon marriage does new husband become Earl of Bagshot Park - i.e. maintains attachment to place, or would they become Duke of Little Bagshot Park.... so they have similar rankings but can't both be the Duke of the same place....?

There's no precendent for it.

For a high ranking royal I think sadly the most likely outcome would be that the titled partner would give up their title and role before announcing the marriage (if they even came out at all)

At best I think he would keep his title and is partner would be untitled.

I think we're a long way off women getting full equality to men in the title circle. I think equality in same sex partnerships are even further away.

Thanks @lyralalala

Running out of Royal Dukedoms for George and Louis.

I believe Connaught is also available but is controversial because it’s Irish.

How the queen can say a thousand words about the situation (and show Harry how she cares) without saying a single one.

What a lovely, decent, caring, very clever lady.

www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1248861/Queen-Elizabeth-II-latest-Prince-Harry-news-Invictus-games-Bon-Jovi-Royal-Family-update/amp

And of course with all this fascinating discussion about titles I manage to spell Queen with a small q! Oops,

Controversial but I do wonder whether the Kent & Gloucester titles should just revert back to the crown after the death of the current incumbents. But then that would affect the lesser titles I suppose.

Running out of Royal Dukedoms for George and Louis.

I believe Connaught is also available but is controversial because it’s Irish.

Kendal and Ross are both available. Clarence is available, but has a bit of a history that might be long enough ago to be re-used now. It was given with Avondale so Duke of Avondale on it's own could be given

The Queen, or King at the time, can also make up new titles if they want.

The only ones they can't use are ones like Cumberland that were removed from people in 1917 and have legitimate heirs that could one day claim them back.

The won't use Irish ones as you say

Controversial but I do wonder whether the Kent & Gloucester titles should just revert back to the crown after the death of the current incumbents. But then that would affect the lesser titles I suppose.

They'd have to have been created like that for it to happen. They'll revert back if there is ever no male heir, although that's unlikely.

It's funny to think they'll be non-royal Dukedoms relatively soon. I think we might find (or future generations might) that when they are no longer royal Dukedoms some of the lesser titles might be used in a different form

So, one of the Duke of Kent's titles is Earl of St Andrews. Once that's no longer royal we could potentially see a Duke of St Andrews. That's a long way off though.

It has happened, but not super often. As long as the titles are different then it's fine

There’s always the Windsor dukedom

The only ones they can't use are ones like Cumberland that were removed from people in 1917 and have legitimate heirs that could one day claim them back.

That sounds intriguing. Any details?

To whoever was asking for some background on this, try Debretts

www.debretts.com/expertise/essential-guide-to-the-peerage/