Harry and Meghan what they’ll do next

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Let’s strive to keep on topic and not engage with posts designed to disrupt.

So which of the current non Royal dukedoms were originally Royal?

@andylion In 1917 the Dukes of Cumberland and Albany, the Duke of Cumberland's son and one or two other people had their British titles removed from them because of their German loyalties by an act of parliament

Their heirs could ask for their titles to be revived, but they haven't so far. Thus the titles can't actually be used.

@fizzylimes Quite a number of them. Then there's the ones that were created for illegitimate sons like the Duke of Grafton; so not royal, but for King's offspring

Many of the titles have been created several times - the Duke of Kent was a royal Dukedom twice before and went extinct due to a lack of heirs.

York will be available but that usually goes to a younger son so Louis may be the next Duke of York. Cambridge could be available for George once William is Prince of Wales. And Charlotte is likely the next Princess Royal.

But wasn't a lot of the issue with Harry being that he was flying by private jet to events such as the google conference which was specifically to talk about climate change. And he was using these events to tell people to reduce their carbon footprint by doing things such as, not flying so much.

As much as I was a fan of Harry prior to that, it was his utter hypocrisy, his sense of entitlement, his ability to think he could preach to the lower classes etc that made me stand up and think he is on another planet. And I think that was a general feeling amongst others I know.

He wants to be Greta Thunberg, then he must act like her and behave as he expects others to behave.

I wonder if Beatrice’s husband will get e title?
Probably not as Eugenie’s husband didn’t

Oops sorry wrong thread!

Ha ha Shoes at you having to say wrong thread on a thread about HaM. I thought ooh, we’re back on topic, but alas...

Not that I mind the natural deviations really. It’s all related. Literally.

I think Andrew might be a bit young for Louis to get the York title. Even if Louis doesn't get married until he's 30, Andrew would be 89. That's not too far-fetched given HMQ and Philip's longevity.

I think it'll also depend on the plan for Louis work wise. I can see him potentially getting an Earldom, or perhaps even a situation like Prince Michael of Kent where he just keeps his title and a wife becomes Princess Louis (I know there were religious issues with that marriage, but could fit better with a smaller monarchy depending on how needed both he and his partner would be)

@DandyAF to be fair though this had been a great digression.

I am getting a little lost in the detail now though.

lyralala
An HRH Earldom may be the way ahead for younger sons of Monarchs.
That way the Prince/ss titles just remain in the line of the heir.

The what makes a royal, 'royal' diversion has been very interesting, and something that ties it and the titles/inheritance issues together is adoption. An adoptee, male or female, can't inherit an hereditary title (as far as I'm aware, happy to be corrected though) which would give credence to the idea that titles and royalty are blood rather than positions.

Not something that I agree with, either from the idea that blood makes you royal or not, or that an adopted son/daughter is any less of a son/daughter than a biological one and therefore unworthy of inheriting a title etc.

Very interesting point Hexagon

Again, any changes to address that are likely to be reactive rather than pro-active and so if won’t be amended until that particular scenario arises.

Meant to say, some unlucky connotations to Duke of Clarence.

Also, way back in the C15, George, King Edward IV’s traitorous younger brother was Duke of Clarence and was executed. So the title has several unpleasant associations.

Wasn't the Duke of Clarence the one that died after falling into a barrel of wine.
@SenecaFallsRedux
I completely recant my sweeping statement from many pages ago and I thank you for all your subsequent posts explaining the lineage and heritage of the British Royal Family.
You're definitely an expert.

Thanks @lyralalala. In 1917 the Dukes of Cumberland and Albany, the Duke of Cumberland's son and one or two other people had their British titles removed from them because of their German loyalties by an act of parliament

Their heirs could ask for their titles to be revived, but they haven't so far. Thus the titles can't actually be used.

Interesting that the "current" Cumberland would be Ernst August of Hannover, Princess Caroline of Monaco's husband.

@Absolutepowercorrupts Thanks

Yes, the Dukedom of Clarence does have an uphappy history. There is also poor Guilford Dudley the teenage husband of Lady Jane Grey, who was supposed to get the title when Jane was crowned. He, like her, was beheaded as a traitor.

Wasn't the Duke of Clarence the one that died after falling into a barrel of wine.

Rumour was that he chose his method of execution by being drowned in a barrel of Malmsey. There is doubt though that this actually happened although he was certainly executed.

Was just about to ask about prince Ernst. How come he is HRH?

Royal and noble titles have been outlawed in Germany except as they can be incorporated into a surname. But Ernst August uses what is called a title in pretense as though he were a prince of the United Kingdom. So he uses HRH and it appears that the queen indulges him in that. At least I think that is the situation.

Royal families seem to respect the titles of other royals even when they are no longer officially titled in their own country.

Ernst August's HRH is accepted everywhere; Princess Caroline of Monaco when from being an HSH to an HRH when she married him

King Constantine and Queen Anne Marie of Greece, and their family, are another. Greece no longer has a monarchy yet they are recognised and given status as such. Prince William is the godfather of one of their grandchildren, Prince Constantine.

The King of Romania was given the same courtesy and I think the Yugoslavian royals as well.

I always just assumed they all did it because they know their country could be next for a revolution and they'd be hoping someone would take them in an still treat them as royal

I always just assumed they all did it because they know their country could be next for a revolution and they'd be hoping someone would take them in an still treat them as royal

Well in theory bid not in practice.

George V initially offered then purportedly blocked asylum to Nicolas II (the last Russian tsar) after revolution because:

Growing labour unrest and the rise of socialism in Britain, were causing George V serious concerns. The King feared the presence of “Bloody Nicholas” on British soil would compromise his position and subsequently bring down the monarchy,” British historian Paul Gilbert states, referring to the nickname given Nicholas II after he ordered the shooting of peaceful demonstrators in St. Petersburg in 1905.

Essentially he drew a line at putting his own throne at risk, even to assist a royal cousin whom he was purportedly very close to (and frankly looked like his twin - play guess who is who below).

Sorry typo "but" not "bid".

Interesting link back to H&M....

• What was life like for those of the Romanov family who settled in Britain? How many stayed close to the British royal family and how long did their use of royal apartments last? It was only Grand Duchess Xenia and some of her sons who remained in England for any length of time. The Dowager Empress left for her native Denmark in the summer of 1919. Xenia was George V’s favourite cousin and he gave her Frogmore Cottage as a grace and favour home in 1925. She used to go up to Windsor castle to see the King and Queen, and King George helped her with various difficulties. However, after he died in January 1936, Edward VIII said he wanted Frogmore as a sanctuary for the royal family and, reluctantly, Xenia had to leave. She was offered Wilderness House, Hampton Court, and moved there in March1937, remaining until she died in 1960. Most of the other exiled Romanovs settled abroad. They were not wanted in Britain.*