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Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan? Thread 2

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DaveCoaches · 23/02/2020 21:26

I wimped out of the other thread title I planned as I thought it might look goady.

But please let’s keep it as the reality-and-let's-avoid-idle-speculation-and-reliance-on-dodgy-sources thread (thanks Seneca!).

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Roussette · 24/02/2020 15:20

Even if that's the case, the obsessive press would have been the catalyst. And who can blame them? Does it matter what their reasons are? Is it just another stick to beat them with?

As I've said before, many a time on other threads, for some people and some press, there is nothing they can do that is right. Actions and things they say are painted in the worst possible light, the press actually make up stuff, lie or put a damaging spin on things. In those circumstances, even the strongest person would think... sod it, I'm off!

Encyclo · 24/02/2020 15:31

The Queen even agreed about the level of scrutiny in her statement. Is she overreacting too?

LaurieMarlow · 24/02/2020 15:34

Especially, as said, when "alterative arrangements" turn out to have been planned almost from the start of the marriage

I'm never sure where people are getting this stuff from. Do you have more details?

In any event, I don't actually see what's so dreadful about MM thinking through alternatives from early on. A regular person, contemplating leaving their country, friends and career behind them to follow a spouse would probably have a Plan B thought out for the family unit if Plan A wasn't working for them.

There's a bizarre undercurrent to this narrative that seems to require her to be almost a hostage to the UK public. Not allowed to leave, not allowed to do anything her own way, not allowed to question the criticism. Talk about a gilded prison. I'm glad she escaped.

RoseAndRose · 24/02/2020 16:00

Especially, as said, when "alterative arrangements" turn out to have been planned almost from the start of the marriage

I'm never sure where people are getting this stuff from. Do you have more details?

From Prince Harry: "It was so many months of talks after so many years of challenges". They had been married for less than 20 months when he said that. I suppose 'so many' is open to interpretation, other official statements have also referred to timelines that should be counted in numerous months.

WinnieTheW0rm · 24/02/2020 16:07

Not allowed to leave, not allowed to do anything her own way

Of course theynare allowed to leave.

And they have the whole ofnthe rest of their lives to do things their way.

What is happening now is establishing what impermissible in terms of use of 'royal' and of course the head of state (of Canada as well as UK) will ensure clarity. But there is so much else out there than nitpicking about the Queen's rules on her family's usage of Royal in UK, in the dominions, in the Commonwealth and elsewhere; I want to see them move on, but realise this will have to wait until 10 March at earliest and probably into April.

I hope Africa features prominently - Harry always sounds so happy when talking of the continent, and Meghan showed shared interest right from the earliest days of their courtship

LaurieMarlow · 24/02/2020 16:10

From Prince Harry: "It was so many months of talks after so many years of challenges"

That's very vague and to my mind in no way translates into 'she wanted out from day one'. I'd hazard there was a lot of discussion about the possibility of adjusting the role rather than wanting to be out from the get go.

As ever, I feel like I'm reading totally different words to what their detractors are reading.

And I presume the 'years of challenges' are personal to Harry.

Samcro · 24/02/2020 16:15

I do wonder why this thread has gone bad........
could it be a plan lol
imo MM is she is behind them leaving, which I doubt, has made the right call.
standing in PW shadow can not have good for PH.

LaurieMarlow · 24/02/2020 16:15

What is happening now is establishing what impermissible in terms of use of 'royal' and of course the head of state (of Canada as well as UK) will ensure clarity. But there is so much else out there than nitpicking about the Queen's rules on her family's usage of Royal in UK, in the dominions, in the Commonwealth and elsewhere

Sure. It's uncharted territory to some degree, I guess there's loads to sort out. I can't say I give too much of a shit about the intricate details of that and I doubt many people do.

H&A do seem to be doing lots of stuff beyond talking about the word Royal. Of course they're getting slated for those plans and actions too!

LaurieMarlow · 24/02/2020 16:16

H&M

RoseAndRose · 24/02/2020 16:28

I haven't seen the comment which suggested that she wanted out from day one, and was responding to the post about 'almost from the start'

Which when you look at PH's and other statements, and the number of months duration of the marriage before the announcements, does stack up well enough.

And, to speculate a bit, of course I do not believe they are so lacking in maturity that they began to negotiate immediately they thought of change. But perhaps there are those who would expect them to act and begin talks without a private time of deliberation between just the two of them.

Roussette · 24/02/2020 16:28

From Prince Harry: "It was so many months of talks after so many years of challenges"

How anyone can presume - from that statement - that this was planned before they even got married, god alone knows. Honestly honestly from that I would presume this is them saying... we are not doing this lightly, we have thought this through.

LaurieMarlow · 24/02/2020 16:30

Which when you look at PH's and other statements, and the number of months duration of the marriage before the announcements, does stack up well enough.

Are you going to quote these other statements? Because I haven’t a clue what you’re referring to.

RoseAndRose · 24/02/2020 16:42

Are you going to quote these other statements?

Queen's statement in mid-January, and the M&H statement shortly before that. Seems all official statements confirm the same timeline of many months.

LaurieMarlow · 24/02/2020 16:47

Seems all official statements confirm the same timeline of many months.

Many months of discussions, but not, it would seem, clarifying exactly what those discussions were about.

puzzled suggests upthread that meghan never intended to stay in the UK. In don’t see any evidence to back that up, regardless of how many months were spent talking.

RoseAndRose · 24/02/2020 16:51

Why on earth would you want to speculate on the contents of the months of discussions, when all they have told us is that there has been something under discussion for months?

Sorry, I thought this was the nice thread.

(To avoid doubt, I think lengthy discussions are a good thing; that they began early is a neutral thing IYSWIM)

LaurieMarlow · 24/02/2020 16:56

Oh god. Right, to clarify, some posters are citing the ‘many months’ of discussions as evidence that Meghan never intended to stay in the UK.

I don’t think that holds up at all. Yes their exit was preceded by lots of discussion, but who knows when exiting was raised within that or what else was influencing that decision to go.

To avoid doubt, I think lengthy discussions are a good thing; that they began early is a neutral thing IYSWIM

Agreed.

drina27 · 24/02/2020 17:08

The “many years of challenges” I took to be a reference to PH’s own apparent difficulties, presumably with Royal life generally. He really doesn’t have a clue what “challenges” really are, does he?

TheMustressMhor · 24/02/2020 17:09

I do wonder why this thread has gone bad

The thread hasn't "gone bad", samcro.

It simply contains some debate, which is permissible and (I would have thought) desirable.

TheMustressMhor · 24/02/2020 17:10

He really doesn’t have a clue what “challenges” really are, does he?

I would seriously doubt it, Drina.

TheMustressMhor · 24/02/2020 17:13

Standing in PW shadow can not have good for PH

Can you expand on this, samcro?

The "spare" always stand in the shadow of the "heir."

That is the nature of royalty, after all.

drina27 · 24/02/2020 17:26

William has been a supportive brother to him, by all accounts. But sadly his recent choices have severed that connection.

SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 24/02/2020 17:38

I'm sure they've supported each other.

drina27 · 24/02/2020 17:42

As the elder of the two, in the early years certainly, W supported H.

LaurieMarlow · 24/02/2020 17:49

William has been a supportive brother to him, by all accounts. But sadly his recent choices have severed that connection.

And we’re back to talking like we know all the facts when we don’t have the slightest clue what’s really going on.

katiegoestoaldi · 24/02/2020 17:54

I think there's a massive rift now. Aswell as losing W as Archie grows up H is going to really feel the lack of cousins for him, there's no extended family on M's side apart from Doria even if they do land in L.A. All the big get togethers like Balmoral and Sandringham, I can't see them ever going along unless they divorced and it's just H going

What a mess they've made. And it is their mess, no way could HM have agreed to their wants