Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan? Thread 2

[DaveCoaches]

I wimped out of the other thread title I planned as I thought it might look goady.

But please let’s keep it as the reality-and-let's-avoid-idle-speculation-and-reliance-on-dodgy-sources thread (thanks Seneca!).

There is an absolute disconnect at play IMO. Posters trash them 24/7 for entertainment and for the most innocuous of reasons. Then they wonder why they're leaving, what Harry has "changed". These are human beings. To paraphrase Caroline Flack, their pain is not entertainment.

The disconnect is utterly bizarre.

Then the wide eyed ‘but then he changed’, as if a relentless media campaign against his wife would have nothing to do with that.

I bet they’re all sharing ‘be kind’ memes on SM at the same time.

Tired of them. They are welcome to leave. No feelings about them.

TheMustressMhor Mon 24-Feb-20 10:04:38
I had a different interpretation of the "bullying" comment, but so what?

you can interpret it how you like, but as I said it, i think i can be the only one who can say what I meant.

I think we've lost a huge asset to the country. They were the fresh air the RF needed, and now they're gone. It's a crying shame AFAIC

PiersM is just a turd. I hope he gets his comeuppance. Someone put together a picture of all the negative articles he'd written about MM. (can't find it at the mo) It was absolutely shocking. The man is an obsessed stalker end of. I wish MM would put some sort of restraining order out on him because it has reached stalker territory but that'll just add fuel to the fire.

LaurieMarlow, One can contribute to any thread without necessarily "bashing."
I have an opinion on H&M, which I have stated on some threads, as I'm perfectly entitled to do. It does not mean I have "bashed" them. It is perfectly reasonable to express an opinion in the spirit of debate, without attacking. I have not attacked and I object to the insinuation that disagreeing with someone's actions means it's bullying.

One can contribute to any thread without necessarily "bashing."

Of course you can.

However those threads have an undeniable tone to them and a particular discourse encouraged. There is most certainly bullying on them.

I’m not going to go trawling around looking for what you’ve posted. Can you say you’ve never contributed anything mean spirited or nasty? Have you called out bullying and mean comments every time you saw them?

I’ve no clue, it’s your conscience.

Only you know if you have criticised very innocuous behaviour that you wouldn’t bat an eyelid at if someone else did it, hauled them over the coals for things that are par for the course for royals, repeated lies and slander from the gutter press.

But whether you are personally culpable or not, threads like those are part of a culture that have made his life much worse.

But whether you are personally culpable or not, threads like those are part of a culture that have made his life much worse.

Laurie, this is my point too. It's the normalisation of tearing apart every word they utter, every action, pouring over videos of coat flicking and bump cradling, coming to conclusions about them and declaring it as fact.

This is not "reasonable debate". This is targeting and bullying and it's been going on unchecked for months

I finally commented when their son was given a horrible nickname on those threads. How is that reasonable debate?

I finally commented when their son was given a horrible nickname on those threads. How is that reasonable debate?

Absolutely. I've no idea why they're allowed to stand. People should be ashamed.

I started to read them from the point of view of 'imagine if someone was talking about my daughter in this way' and it was too vile for words.

We've made a few deletions on this thread, and hopefully the conversation can now get back on track.

I am sure, given that the vitriol in the MSM has continued unabated, they will be very very glad they made the decision to move away. If it's like this when they've kept their heads down and are in the States/US, imagine how grotesque it would've been if they'd stayed.

Good on them. I hope they are enjoying a bit more peace.

This thread is really weird. The other threads (19) are a combination of criticisms and compliments of a very privileged couple and their behaviour by posters who have become disillusioned and disappointed. But this thread is accusing anyone criticising H & M of being vile/ a bully/ disconnected/ mean spirited /nasty/ bashing/ and 'dragging them over hot coals' (bit dramatic).

This thread is much nastier than the other one.

What’s going on? I thought this was the nice thread

BertaFriend This is trying to be a positive thread for H&M. I just wonder why anyone who was a regular contributor elsewhere and who can't stand the couple would bother coming on here. If anyone is trying to change my mindset, it ain't gonna work!

I hope they manage to connect with their patronage's/charities when they're here next month. I followed some of the Grenfell Kitchen founders on Instagram for a while and they adored Meghan and Harry.

I thought the work Meghan did with that charity was stellar.

We're trying to keep it positive and we're staying off the other thread.

Posters trash them 24/7 for entertainment and for the most innocuous of reasons. Then they wonder why they're leaving

FWIW I personally don't care about bump touching, banana-writing, Wimbledon seating or the colour of nail polish and I don't read the dreaded Piers Morgan, but let's not be too ready to swallow the "reasons for leaving" wholesale

From the timing of various arrangements which have become known, it seems pretty clear that at least one of them never intented to stay here, and that the "waaahhh, everyone's being nasty!!" is at least partly retrospective justification

Encyclo what are they here for next month?

I find even news articles have a slant on them so I just avoid reading anything about H&M.

and that the "waaahhh, everyone's being nasty!!" is at least partly retrospective justification

I think it was a bit more than that! The vitriol spewed out about them was absolutely horrendous. I wouldn't want to live with it. Kudos to PH for protecting his wife and baby.

Dave, they're coming back for a commonwealth event and I think 4/5 other official events.

I thought the work Meghan did with that charity was stellar

Yes, and I was so pleased when the press was objectionable, the sales of her cookbook soared. It raised an incredible amount of money for the Hubb Community kitchen.

I can't even remember what the media found so objectionable about Meghan's involvement with that charity. Now, even her harshest critics agree she did good work there.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what they do next.

Thanks Encyclo.

That’s great to hear Roussette

The vitriol spewed out about them was absolutely horrendous

Some of it has been, yes, and the instances of real racism which sometimes break out have been truly sickening, but my overall point is that intentions aren't always as clear as they're sometimes painted

Especially, as said, when "alterative arrangements" turn out to have been planned almost from the start of the marriage