Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan? Thread 2

[DaveCoaches]

I wimped out of the other thread title I planned as I thought it might look goady.

But please let’s keep it as the reality-and-let's-avoid-idle-speculation-and-reliance-on-dodgy-sources thread (thanks Seneca!).

I think MM is lovely looking. Don't think there is any thing wrong with saying that.
Pmsl at it being misogynistic.
Yet the constant blaming the woman isn't.
I also think the york girls are lovely looking and anne was in her youth.

I wondered what supporters on this thread think of the security situation? Is it reasonable to fund the Sussex's security bill in full, given that Canada has now said they won't be contributing? Obviously they are entitled to and need security. But how much is too much? Would an amount greater than W&K be ok (given that they are in Canada and elsewhere)? And what would be fair of them to expect?

Megan is attractive, Harry is a good bloke, Archie is cute. But UK taxpayers should not have to shell out £20m per annum for their security.

The security one is difficult. They will need it as harry will always be the future kings brother/son
I think the royal family should pay, the queen/PC are hardly broke.
I can understand why the British tax payer or the canadian tax payer shouldn't. But someone has to, so either they pay themselves, or te RF fork out.
Odd that this wasn't sorted when they left.

They are discussing this to death in the other thread of you genuinely want a debate, IrmaFayLear. I agree it's difficult, but god, it's been done to death, and gone round in circles- nothings changed. Its all very civilised over on the other thread if you want to get stuck in though!

But UK taxpayers should not have to shell out £20m per annum for their security. This is the bottom line. I don't want to pay for their security on principle. I realise they need security but £20m? Come off it.

Samcro, this comes back to my point that I think they handled their exit badly. It was rushed and nothing was sorted. The RF wanted to take their time.

I don’t think PC can afford to pay for A list security to be honest, not if it goes towards the higher end of the estimate (was that £20m?) I think he already sponsors PH and PW with about £2.5m each per year and his annual income cannot be that big

Not quite the case that “nothing’s changed”. What has changed is that the Canadian government has stated it will not pay any of the bill after March. So the question of how their security will be funded (and in particular that part of it which has increased because of their decision to move abroad) is very pertinent.

Obviously PC will be worried sick about Harry and his family's security given what happened to Diana and I would be the same. The whole thing is a financial mess.

It is being addressed on the other thread though if you're worried about the urgency. Seems strange to want the exact same discussion on both threads when this one has a clear focus. Out of courtesy to the original OP you could join in on the other one?

I read it was £7M a year for security? Not £20M, but correct me if I'm wrong. Bearing in mind ex PMs and others get security, I think some sort of contribution would be OK, equivalent to what say David Cameron or Tony Blair (I read somewhere he has 12 protection officers??) has in the way of security, with the rest funded by the RF.

This thread is about being happy for them. Can one not express concern that their plans may fall apart in the face of this major financial obstacle?

I think that estimate was if they stayed here ,
Roussette , by being abroad and travelling separately the figure goes up as the personal have to fly out there and back for shift changes.

Sorry personnel , spelling a little off today

Bearing in mind ex PMs and others get security, I think some sort of contribution would be OK, equivalent to what say David Cameron or Tony Blair (I read somewhere he has 12 protection officers??) has in the way of security, with the rest funded by the RF.

I agree with this. I expect it'll pan out something like this.

Tony Blair doesn't live in north America and require his protection team to fly back and forward between there and the UK every fortnight.

I guess this may be where we find out just how deep Charles's pockets actually are, and how guilty he feels about all this. It'll be a big carbon footprint to offset.

Tony Blair travels all over the world first class with a security entourage in the roles he has had and still has.

According to the annual report of the Duchy of Cornwall, the annual income for 2019 was £21.3m. There is also quite a bit of property developments, borrowings, etc. Cannot be bothered to spend too much time on it, but I don’t that Charles’ pockets are that deep...

Do we have any figures to compare the cost of Blair's travelling security with the cost of setting up permanent, though still travelling, security in another country? And the details of who pays or contributes?

the annual income for 2019 was £21.3m

So that's all going to be swallowed. Never mind, they'll be earning an independent income soon..

Do we have any figures to compare the cost of Blair's travelling security with the cost of setting up permanent, though still travelling, security in another country? And the details of who pays or contributes?

No

The Queen’s pockets are a lot deeper

It will all work out,
Imo i still support them PH had no choice about being partof the RF, if we want the RF then we have to keep them safe.

The security issue will sort itself out. He's the son of the future King and after what happened to his mother I can't see PC messing about.

The security issue will sort itself out

I doubt it, it needs to be actively decided.

And that will probably be by the person/organisation who is paying. I think the fair solution would be for taxpayer to stump up, at least for a transition period, the cost of close protection had they continued to be senior working Royals. Any additional costs to be paid by the couple (PC might bail out for first couple of years, as they establish their financial independence, but no indefinite blank cheque - they chose to step back and need to fund their choice