Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan? Thread 2

[DaveCoaches]

I wimped out of the other thread title I planned as I thought it might look goady.

But please let’s keep it as the reality-and-let's-avoid-idle-speculation-and-reliance-on-dodgy-sources thread (thanks Seneca!).

I hope you're right Samcro ,surely it's more natural to think well of anyone than dislike them and look for reasons to dislike them .

Though I guess in the media ,bad news is more profitable than good .

It's funny because my feelings towards the RF used to be wholly negative but being on these threads have made me feel a great deal more sympathy for them both on account of being born into it ( what a poisoned challice ) and as people in the public eye where so much about them is spun and twisted .

strangely i have gone the other way. I used to really respect queenie and quite like PC. but after the way they have handled this I have rather gone off them.
(not that they will care lol)

I'm still hopeful that PC will smooth things over for H&M in the RF.

Pointless is fantastic, and can never be a distraction. Definitely the Queen went up a point in my estimation if she watches!

I'm another one who's thought more about the poisoned chalice aspect from this topic. The RF never really crossed my radar apart from to hope to see the back of the institution. Its made me think about the humans more. I really hope M&F and the rest of the royals work it all out.

Most people don't pay much attention, but the press is so relentless to feed the appetite of those that do, that some mud may, unfairly, stick. The DM & friends will be desperate to sabotage, but yesterday went well. And I do love Jon Bon Jovi so looking forward to that!

i don't read the press. I watch the news so get what I want from there, tbh when I meet up with friends we have more interesting stuff to talk about.
I can't imagine people of my sons age(20's) caring.

rockingchaircandle

Pointless is fantastic, and can never be a distraction. Definitely the Queen went up a point in my estimation if she watches!

In that case, the following might interest you:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-norfolk-46991602

Pointless is fantastic, love that the Queen played it with the WI

Oh that's lovely! what an awesome Christmas special it would have been but I'm glad she won with her deft, silky Pointless skills

I can't imagine people of my sons age(20's) caring. I think there might be a generational thing involved, Samcro. Some younger people might be less worried about royal traditions being broken, but then I suppose they might be less likely to interested in the people as well. I'd say they wouldn't find it as strange that Meghan and Harry use social media.

I’m not sure it’s PCs job to smooth things over for H. He’s in his late 30s, he’s old enough to fight his own battles.

Speaking to my children they don’t care much for the RF but are incredulous that H&M are having their security paid for. They couldn’t care less about anything else but I think their generation is very driven by fairness and they don’t think this is a good demonstration of that

Definitely PC's job to be supportive vis-à-vis being a father.

But not his job to bankroll an already outrageously expensive lifestyle.

👏

It's the money. Remember this is a generation who will struggle to get on the housing ladder, be incurring debt to go to university and so on, seeing two people in their 30s expecting subsidies from rich family members and not to have to curtail their lifestyle choices. It's not a good look. The bowing and protocol they won't care about but few people do anyway. And it's no good saying 'it's not Harry and Meghan's fault that young people can't afford a mortgage'. They are a very visible reminder of double standards.

Very true buttery .

I’m not sure it’s PCs job to smooth things over for H. He’s in his late 30s, he’s old enough to fight his own battles.

It would be very short sighted of PC to allow things to drift on negatively. The ramifications will play out during PCs reign and he'd be wise to avoid that.

Charles, as a dad, could well see it as his job to smooth things over in the family- seems pretty natural.

I think young people aren't one coherent entity. I love seeing the activists and people who use social media to try and change things that matter. They'll be the ones that can see past any attempts to just crucify one couple, and are more likely to look at the wider structural problems. They see through Piers Morgan and the like, and loved Meghan for standing up for herself.

There are double standards in the media in general. Beyond these threads, in all honesty, Meghan and Harry are not vilified. There's obsessive fans and haters on social media, but most people have a more balanced view. In a world of influencers, where some are amazingly rich, Meghan and Harry don't stand out for resentment. Although, the Daily Mail and co will continue to try and direct it towards them!

And it's no good saying 'it's not Harry and Meghan's fault that young people can't afford a mortgage'. They are a very visible reminder of double standards

Actually I disagree. The institution itself looks bloated and inefficient. I think Harry and Meghan will be lauded for attempting to get out from under the golden goose in the end. Once all the white noise dies down.

I am not sure about real life anymore to be honest. I spent an hour in a cafe this morning with two other mums (children with 7.30 and 8.30 drop off and waiting in between) and the talk went to H&M. Their views of H&M were more viscous than anything I have seen on mumsnet. I was quite surprised. I ended up defending MM because it got so bad.

Actually I disagree. The institution itself looks bloated and inefficient. I think Harry and Meghan will be lauded for attempting to get out from under the golden goose in the end. Once all the white noise dies down.

Totally agree with this. My feeling is there aren't many die hard royalists in the younger generation and they want rid of the lot of them.

Lauded is probably too strong though. Most people don’t give too much of a fuck about this.

Beyond these threads, in all honesty, Meghan and Harry are not vilified. There's obsessive fans and haters on social media, but most people have a more balanced view

I'm glad to see you say this rocking, as in other posts you've talked a lot about the terrible harmfulness of the media coverage and the threads being a cycle that feeds that and that has real consequences. But actually you don't think they have an effect on most people.

as in other posts you've talked a lot about the terrible harmfulness of the media coverage and the threads being a cycle that feeds that and that has real consequences. But actually you don't think they have an effect on most people

I’m not sure how rocking sees it, but I think it’s more complicated than this.

The majority don’t have strong views.

However than doesn’t mean that the negative press and the minority online aren’t harmful, because many of them are very vocal and that’s what’s visible. The neutral don’t have any impact at all.

Some of the mud from the haters sticks, because that’s what’s out there. It probably does colour the views of the less engaged, making them slightly more negative.

Gracefulhippo that's how I got started with these threads, I was surprised at the hate directed towards them, previously I would have thought myself as neutral!
But that's lovely to hear you stood up to them, it's so much harder in person

I ended up defending MM because it got so bad.

Nice one Hippo. Welcome to the cause 🥰

Yes, I'd agree with that Laurie - that explains it well.

I wish it was compartmentalised Buttery, but I don't think it is. If it was just a group of raving M&H haters or fans, just obsessing with themselves great but its not.

The neutral majority see the headlines and they will still be impacted even if they don't want to read the whole story (& many won't click on the DM or be able to sit through a whole PM interview!). I read about something called the exposure effect- or something - during the last US election to do with why the smear campaign against Hilary Clinton worked so well. Even if you're not particularly interested subconciously you'll start thinking that Meghan is a bit much, there's no smoke without fire. So its harmful in that sense, mud sticks..

Then I think its harmful in the other ways I've gone on about too - the social media and traditional media feed each other, makes it worse, real impact on the targets, impact on the public who have to read racist/ misogynistic stories, normalisation of online harassment and spite, spills over to RL (see Graceful's post), use of scapegoats to distract from real problems etc etc