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Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan? Thread 2

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DaveCoaches · 23/02/2020 21:26

I wimped out of the other thread title I planned as I thought it might look goady.

But please let’s keep it as the reality-and-let's-avoid-idle-speculation-and-reliance-on-dodgy-sources thread (thanks Seneca!).

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Encyclo · 26/02/2020 13:03

I have to say I thought Kate looked rather silly and very smug on that rope swing. I didn't feel the need to go online and say so though.

I think that's the difference. I let that thought pass through my mind and then thought about it no more until now. Reactions to H&Ms every move and action must be analysed/criticised and defended as nauseous.

Hardly fair.

Everycloud12 · 26/02/2020 13:03

GracefulHippo Im not so sure.

There would probably be an issue with the way she was holding him.

Encyclo · 26/02/2020 13:04

Ad nauseum! Although as nauseous kind of works 😂

peridito · 26/02/2020 13:06

Excellent post Encyclo.Star

rockingchaircandle · 26/02/2020 13:07

Buttery, I'm not ignoring this Ok, let's look at this. What are the main areas in which people feel the Sussexes are held to different standards than other Royals? And thank you for engaging Smile

I was thinking aloud really. I have some very definite views on why there is a difference, but when I've spoken about it in the past is has been deemed inflammatory and the tone is pretty cordial at the moment so I don't think the question would fit the thread title.

peridito · 26/02/2020 13:08

And yes Everycloud of course Meghan would have been criticised for how she was holding her baby .

GracefulHippo · 26/02/2020 13:11

I think it is a matter of duty above personal opinion and thorough due diligence that is required by the working royals. Does anyone here believe that the Queen personally likes all heads of state she has met? Meghan has in the past being vocal about not liking Trump, hence the controversy when she didn’t want to meet him. As a non titled, non working royal, no problem. As part of the people representing the royal family, less good.

I assume that all awards the queen offer are subject to due diligence. By more people than the queen. Brief comparison to finance, if someone working in a bank wants to buy a politician or regulatory representative a coffee (!!!!), pre approval by compliance is needed. Sometimes the professionals get it wrong. H&M don’t seem like the slow working machinery of the RF and probably don’t like to be told to what to do and not to do. Which is perfectly fine, who does!?!? . They cannot be part of the titled, working royals though unless they submit to due diligence, silence and protocol.

I think this is why some people criticise their proposal half in, half out.

Poppyfields21 · 26/02/2020 13:11

@Encyclo I have to say I thought Kate looked rather silly and very smug on that rope swing. I didn't feel the need to go online and say so though.

......apart from when you did just now......

Cerseirys · 26/02/2020 13:13

Given that Meghan's guest editing of Vogue was met with a shower of criticism while Kate guest editing HuffPo wasn't, it isn't too far a reach to think she would've been made fun of for being photographed on the swing or doing a cookery programme with Mary Berry.

Encyclo · 26/02/2020 13:13

Way to miss the point Poppy

TheMustressMhor · 26/02/2020 13:13

And yes Everycloud of course Meghan would have been criticised for how she was holding her baby

Peridito - you cannot possibly make this assertion. it is a nonsense.

annielouise · 26/02/2020 13:14

Seneca: You asked earlier for me to provide sources for my assertion that the HRHs don't bow and curtsy to other HRHs who are higher in the order of precedence. This is based on my knowledge of history and protocol. That article you cited is incorrect insofar as it discusses bowing and curtsying.

Based on your knowledge of history and protocol though doesn't stand for anything though. Many articles, both tabloid and broadsheet, say there is an order for the curtsying. Nothing to support what you say though which just seems your opinion.

I didn't cite an article. Someone put the Telegraph article in, not me. Why is it incorrect as you say? What do you have to support that beyond it's something you haven't seen?

I think it was drina that put that Telegraph article in. I don't know if the curtsying protocol is followed or if there is one. Many newspapers, not just tabloids as you said earlier, say there is a protocol for this. I would take a guess not much of it goes on in public as it would highlight how out of step the RF is with modern life. Behind the scenes at say a family lunch I doubt it too but behind the scenes at a formal banquet involving heads of state from various places who knows?

What I'm saying though is, which still stands, curtsying isn't compatible with feminism (neither is having to walk behind your husband when going through a door in any situation including formal events at BP) and M is a stated feminist so I just don't see how that could have sat well with her and why she seems to have been able to reconcile that with her principles - even if the only person she has to curtsy to is the queen. She's still compromised herself to do that.

annielouise · 26/02/2020 13:14

What about the spending of £56k on a dress, Seneca. What's your thought on that and feminism, as a stated feminist yourself?

SussexRoyalties · 26/02/2020 13:15

Is this where everyone is?

LaurieMarlow · 26/02/2020 13:16

Given that she’s been criticised for bump touching, coat flicking, avocado eating, holding her baby wrong, watching her friend play tennis, I can only imagine what reception a swing photo would get.

Roussette · 26/02/2020 13:16

You wouldn’t leave a job and expect to keep your company car for example

This was said in the context of security. Yet previous PM's (Cameron, May et al) visiting Ambassadors, other royal family can have bodyguards but not H&M the 5th in line to the throne... hardly fair is it? Prince George has a bodyguard in school, Sophie Wessex, PA, Beatrice & Eugenie had bodyguards at their finishing school in Switzerland and maybe still do.

How anyone can not notice the contrast between Kate and Meghan reporting must be blind. I could link to pages of different headlines all to do with cradling bumps, legs crossed, avocados etc. There is not much that MM can do right.

I think a photo of Meghan on a rope swing with Archie playing next to her would have been greeted with delight
Honestly? I don't.

GracefulHippo · 26/02/2020 13:17

Annie, agree with your post on how difficult it must have been to reconcile feminism with the ways of the Royal Family.

I loved the £56k dress personally, I thought she looked beautiful in it

Roussette · 26/02/2020 13:18

Peridito - you cannot possibly make this assertion. it is a nonsense

Well.... she was called cack handed and pulled to pieces for how she had Archie in a babycarrier/sling

TheMustressMhor · 26/02/2020 13:18

I can only imagine what reception a swing photo would get

Quite.

All anyone can do is imagine, as no swing photo is in existence.

Why are you importing bad motives to everyone like this?

Butterymuffin · 26/02/2020 13:18

But it is clear that Meghan has been vilified in the media for doing some of the same things that other members of the RF have done with impunity.

Then it will be easy to discuss and give examples of this where it's actually happened. That's evidence, and providing evidence is being encouraged here. Saying 'this would have happened if someone had done such and such' is speculation.

annielouise · 26/02/2020 13:19

Every: The H&M situation seems to have made the Cambridges more popular. What a shame when it could have gone the other way and put an end to the monarchy for good.
And: What you're saying is that the public thinks it's ok for the queen to get things wrong?

I would like an end to the monarchy I think. Not in a big dramatic way but a winding down. I don't think it's acceptable for the queen to get things wrong. I think she needs to get things right, which she hasn't. And I think she deserves all the criticism coming for that. As they all do.

katiegoestoaldi · 26/02/2020 13:19

But to be fair she was being very cackhanded in how she carried Archie!

Encyclo · 26/02/2020 13:19

And the DM sent a reporter to the factory where her baby blanket was made

SenecaFallsRedux · 26/02/2020 13:19

Many articles, both tabloid and broadsheet, say there is an order for the curtsying.

And they are wrong.

PerfPower · 26/02/2020 13:19

Laurie - Why are H & M held to different standards? For me, personally it is the hypocrisy. E.g. Claiming to be a feminist, yet when asked to choose 15 'trailblazing female change makers' she chose Laverne Cox? Of all the incredible women she could have chosen? Look at what Harry is doing today. Wanting all the perks of being in the Royal family but none of the heavy lifting. Do you honestly not see it?

It would be like PA lecturing us on why the rest of us should take more responsibility to stop human trafficking while walking around the park with his mate.