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Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan? Thread 2

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DaveCoaches · 23/02/2020 21:26

I wimped out of the other thread title I planned as I thought it might look goady.

But please let’s keep it as the reality-and-let's-avoid-idle-speculation-and-reliance-on-dodgy-sources thread (thanks Seneca!).

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Everycloud12 · 26/02/2020 13:19

I really think those saying the reporting has been fair and a swing photo of M would have been welcomed are being disingenuous. They don't believe it for a minute.

annielouise · 26/02/2020 13:21

Laurie: I find this bizarre. Ok for the Queen, who has decades of experience, to get things wrong, but not ok for Meghan who is totally new?

Laurie you responded to something Every said that I didn't say. Which I've now clarified - i.e. no, they shouldn't be getting anything wrong and they all deserve equal criticism whoever they are.

TheMustressMhor · 26/02/2020 13:21

Roussette

MM was called cack-handed in those photos because those photos were in existence not because someone guessed how they would be interpreted before they were taken.

It really is a nonsense to assert that the public's reaction to something would have been a, b or c.

If something hasn't happened nobody can comment on it.

annielouise · 26/02/2020 13:22

Every: I remember thinking at the time that M would have been vilified for doing the same. It would have been seen as undignified, common, attention seeking, too American etc.

You can't assume this.

Everycloud12 · 26/02/2020 13:22

Prince Charles loves lecturing on environmental issues too. It really is sickening when you consider their own lifestyles.

Roussette · 26/02/2020 13:22

There you go Butterymuffin

www.boredpanda.com/uk-media-double-standarts-royal-meghan-markle-kate-middleton/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

But to be fair she was being very cackhanded in how she carried Archie!

And from a thread title saying that there was some of the most vitriolic posts about her I've seen on here

LaurieMarlow · 26/02/2020 13:23

What about the spending of £56k on a dress

I never really got the outrage about that either.

The tax payer didn’t pay for that dress, it was before she had a clothing allowance.

Either she bought it herself or she got it as a gift.

Kate spent 5 times that on her wedding dress (also not funded by the tax payer) and there was no outrage that I remember.

katiegoestoaldi · 26/02/2020 13:23

Laverne Cox ffs! 😂 I think the ridicule was fair regarding the Vogue editorship she did

Roussette · 26/02/2020 13:24

If something hasn't happened nobody can comment on it

And that's why I've linked to what has happened

Everycloud12 · 26/02/2020 13:25

Why do you think PR advisers exist if you can't predict public reactions to future or potential situations?

rockingchaircandle · 26/02/2020 13:25

There's lots of evidence, Buttery. There was an article comparing Meghan and Kate's press coverage that showed a stark comparison.

As I read previous posts, everyone was just giving their opinion on the reception of a photo of Meghan based on this previous press coverage. No need to argue! We're will all have different opinions on how we imagine this.

Butterymuffin · 26/02/2020 13:26

Beatrice & Eugenie had bodyguards at their finishing school in Switzerland and maybe still do.

They don't get it funded from the sovereign grant anymore as they're not full time working Royals. Here's a piece I linked to on the other thread about Beatrice and Eugenie's jobs and funding that I think is interesting:
www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/money/a23723800/princess-beatrice-princess-eugenie-jobs/
I actually think the public gets a fairly good deal out of the York princesses, looking at this. They do some duties, but also have jobs, and we don't pay for their security. They also seem to be coping admirably with having two, let's say unpredictable, parents and the negative press those parents attract (one in particularly serious ways).

annielouise · 26/02/2020 13:26

rocking: Annie, change can't happen if everyone stuck to the protocols.

Seriously, it's not M's job to change anything about the RF. How utterly rude and presumptious if that was her plan - are you saying it was?

Roussette · 26/02/2020 13:26

I want those that think she hasn't received an unfair press, a slanted press, a nasty press to read the headlines and articles within the link above, and come back and tell me all's been fair.

drina27 · 26/02/2020 13:28

SenecaFallsRedux
Re precedence:

So basically, you - being an American - actually know better than the British Queen?! And no doubt you could tell her a thing or two? How laughable.Grin

Perhaps you should concern yourself more with the conduct of your Pres - given that you do not have a monarchy l?! Plan?

Encyclo · 26/02/2020 13:29

Changing tack a bit here. I liked his speech at the Travelyst launch.

Butterymuffin · 26/02/2020 13:29

There's lots of evidence, Buttery. There was an article comparing Meghan and Kate's press coverage that showed a stark comparison.

I agree that there's evidence, and I remember that article you posted (though you hadn't checked its source IIRC!) Which is why it seems odd to give imaginary examples. Why do that when there are plenty of actual ones?

LaurieMarlow · 26/02/2020 13:29

I think the ridicule was fair regarding the Vogue editorship she did

There were some brilliant examples on that list. I would never expect to agree with every single one of them, no. Why would you?

annielouise · 26/02/2020 13:29

rocking: but the atmosphere's not toxic and its more open to debate. Yes, as long as no one comes along and starts putting words into someone mouth and makes sure they do accurate quotes then things will be fine and I'm sure this thread can continue and won't be deleted. Emotions too - none of us can presume how upset etc any other person is unless they say so.

drina27 · 26/02/2020 13:31

The prince’s wife defers - were she still here, of course - to the Queen, Camilla and Kate. There are others, of course, such as the “blood princesses”...

She simply cannot handle that.

Everycloud12 · 26/02/2020 13:31

Why not give the swing example?

It stood out to me as just the kind of thing M would be criticised for. Plenty have agreed.

I'm glad you acknowledge that there are plenty of real examples though.

Butterymuffin · 26/02/2020 13:32

I want those that think she hasn't received an unfair press, a slanted press,

Where has anyone denied that there has been unfair and unkind press coverage? I haven't.

SenecaFallsRedux · 26/02/2020 13:32

Given that she’s been criticised for bump touching, coat flicking, avocado eating, holding her baby wrong, watching her friend play tennis, I can only imagine what reception a swing photo would get.

And don't forget her talking about thriving. Lot's of jokey comments on MN about that, mocking and making fun of her unhappiness. That is particularly nasty, in my opinion.

annielouise · 26/02/2020 13:33

peridito: Meghan would have been criticised for how she was holding her baby . haha, to be fair I think both H&M have handled Archie a bit awkwardly - as I probably did when mine were babies. Yes some people will harp on about that, others will just make an observation like I just did and as Encyclo just did about Kate looking silly and very smug. Our personal opinions.

LaurieMarlow · 26/02/2020 13:34

She simply cannot handle that.

Drina, our palace insider Grin