Harry and Meghan 19 (The One With The Capitalisation)

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Off we go.

I think it is such a shame it has come to this.

Have to agree with Bluntness and TimeLady. Things could have been handled so much better and they should have been given better advice / listed to the advice. They have so much going for them, newly married, a gorgeous baby, a lot of personal money and the possibility to do a huge amount of very valuable charity work. I don’t quite get how you combine privacy with the high profile charity work (I would have thought that something had to give), but maybe there is a way.

I am starting to wonder, given how long they seem to have planned this, could Prince William have told them that their take on their future was a no-go last year? And could that be part of the alleged rift?

I suspect H&M are beginning to panic somewhat at how much it will cost to keep them in the style to which they are accustomed.

Even ignoring security, just the amount of staff they have - well the bills will be high. And they are just not billionaires. Surely they actually need to spend the majority of their time earning money for themselves with charity stuff being very very part time.

I’m not surprised it’s come across as petulant / foot stamping - he’s a rumoured indulged Prince, who doesn’t appear to have anyone talking sense to him at the moment (along the lines of old friends, PW, etc).

MM has been friends with JM for almost a decade, however time is not relevant, I think it’s usefulness that matters. She discarded her producer husband after almost 9 years, not long after starting Suits.

I’m not convinced she is that close to her mother and she chose to live with a father who could introduce her to TV and put her through college. She soon discarded him.

When her family spoke out no one believed them, I think they do now and would now believe JM if she ever spilled .

I think my point was that she seems to seek out those who can further her plans which is perhaps why she maintains this friendship with JM, but has no difficulty moving on without them.

I think she planned to discard the Royal Family in a similar way, only keeping what is useful to her. It’s worked for her in the past.

This could have been handled so much better, but there is a pattern there.

Sorry to derail the thread but I have a teeny question about tiaras!! Why do the royal men never wear any headgear? Why dont William or PC wear any coronets say?

There is such a thing as a Ducal coronet, but they are rarely worn. It's coronations only when peers wear them, I think, with full robes; but could be any occasion where the monarch requested them to be worn (in practice, doesn't happen any more)

Graceful I think you're right about the real reason for the fallout.

I think there is a new tiara thread.

They now have no family apart from doria, they have fallen out with her family, his family. Many of their friends. Harry has went from one of the most popular members of the royal family, to a disliked scoffed at figure.

And agree their statement was aimed at the over seas market, hence their comment on the queen not having jurisdiction over seas. They have failed to take into account the Queen is popular in the states, but more than that, people every where, irrelevant of geography tend to have morals, and dislike over exaggerated entitlement and self importance.

They clearly feel like they are fighting for their futures. And this was not what they planned, and they are angry and frustrated, because being royal was the lynch pin they were using to catapult themselves forward. It’s all Harry has.

But there is no doubt they have handled the whole thing terribly and damaged their own brand, potentially irreparably.

Lots of tiaras here for those who like them

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I have said it before but Meghan is a self centred have my cake and eat it
Poor old Harry is like a dutiful Labrador trotting along behind her

A slimming down of the RF is coming thats for sure

Prince Andrew might find himself eating at Pizza Express more often with all the other hangers on

I also don’t understand why they didn’t just adjust to married life and new baby in a low key way like W&K did in Anglesey. K’s is rumoured to have said it was very isolating, but then they also had her parents for comfort and security. They had Christmas with her parents. They were out of the limelight and PW was doing a worthwhile career using his training from the forces.

I also heard (don’t know if true ) that PC suggested they live in Wales and offered a place. That would have given them privacy.

They were only supporting the charities they wanted to and the events they wanted to, as evidenced by ditching the forces engagement for The Lion King gig.

But no, Frogmore it was as close to airport. Jet setting off to celeb parties in private jets. That heinous splash of wealth for the baby shower. Location in London easy to ensure reporters on hand when they wanted more fodder for their insta.

H&M’s statements are really in bad taste IMO

The speed of the fall in Harry’s popularity is breath taking. Three years ago he was the troubled teenager who’d come good. His work with veterans and in Africa was widely admired, the services respected and loved him, it was almost universally acknowledged that he was a force for positive change and boded well for the future of the monarchy.

Now he’s embedded in petulant teenager mode and seems to think the world will admire his jettisoning his birth family, his friends, his future and his country all in the name of lurve. Well, Harry, you’re not Romeo. Check out the life the Duke of Windsor led for 50 years, that’s your future.

I’m not sure, I think harry is equally culpable here.

I’m not sure if this would have happened If he had married someone not in show biz and British, they’d have wished to stay in the uk then likely and possibly not had the desire to go all show biz in the states.

But he chose to marry Meghan, he is equally culpable in the mess that they have made, and I don’t think he can be excused of that by calling him some dutiful lab doing as he is told.

For me they are both culpable in their actions.

I think they will use their surname Mountbatten-Windsor as time goes by.

I agree Bluntness. The trouble was that none of the British women he dated wanted a long term future with him, allegedly because they knew what being royal involves and just weren’t prepared to take it on. I’m beginning to wonder if it was Harry they couldn’t contemplate a future with.

You see I thought it was all Meghan at first. But now I’m beginning to agree Harry is just as responsible. More in a way, as he’s grown up & taught to serve HM.

As fragile as Diana was I think she’d have been thoroughly ashamed of him. Fragile isn’t the right word but I can’t think of a better one at the moment.

I was actually at a different wedding the weekend that H&M got married and there I remember chatting to my DH's cousin who's a family therapist. Of course we chatted about H&M's wedding (this was back when M was still hugely popular) and the cousin said straight out that this marriage was not likely to be successful in the long run. This shocked me because everyone seemed so happy about H&M including themselves but the cousin explained to me that from MM's history (as much as we knew back then) she has damaged relationship behaviours stemming from her childhood and her inability to stick in a any close relationship longterm is a common sign. She simply doesn't possess the tools to navigate the challenging parts of relationships, the relationships that she does maintain will be the ones that are easy, with people who won't need her emotionally very much. She said more stuff about MM's habit of dropping people and what that means but I can't remember now.

The cousin summed it up by saying MM absolutely wants this marriage, she wants to be happy and secure but she'll absolutely bring her relationship behaviours with her and end up hurting the very thing she wants. Grim but I think right on the money.

Oh I'd love to be a royal. The tiaras!!

All this is making me admire the Duchess of Cambridge greatly for how she has conducted herself, whereas previously I never had any sort of thoughts about her (except that she has a figure to die for).

mrscampbellblack: Surely they actually need to spend the majority of their time earning money for themselves with charity stuff being very very part time.

I agree. Initially I thought they were setting up a foundation (did everyone? isn't that what they said?) but the latest statement says they won't be will focus on different charities. I think it's because a foundation would take up too much time and money and they will want to concentrate on building up their own private money.

Someone posred earlier that on Companies hosue it was registered as a foundation so to say now they never said it would be is a load of crap.

RoyalsWereUs have fairly thrown the tiara out with the bath water.

Petulant? Fo sho.

It reminds me of a Strictly flurry last year.

#pissysussexes

That sentence was almost incomprehensible (I am a bit unwell this morning) but I hope it made some sort of sense!

I wonder how many hours of balance work is required to wear a tiara with confidence. Must be heavy. All that walking balancing books on your head I’m imagining.

Oh sorry should have put this on the tiara thread

The trouble was that none of the British women he dated wanted a long term future with him, allegedly because they knew what being royal involves and just weren’t prepared to take it on

Agree, but if you think about that it’s unusual. Which makes me think these women didn’t want a future with him for another reason. And that reason is what he is displaying now. He’s an overly entitled whinging, self important twat.

Harry was desperate to have a wife and family, like William.

He was just as lonely and vulnerable as the poor suckers who get duped into marrying toy boy waiters professing true love having just met on their African holiday, or those searching for a mail-order bride.