Harry & Meghan 14

[yolofish]

A thread for those who wish to discuss what's in the news and what your take on it is.

Dongdingdong

The piece on Doria in the Daily Mail mentions that Doria, Thomas Markle and Meghan all spent Thanksgiving together in 2016, shortly after Meghan started dating Harry. So Meghan and her father were close until relatively recently.

For Fathers' Day 2016 Meghan put a lovely message and tribute to her father on social media:
"Happy Father's Day, daddy. I'm still your buckaroo, and to this day your hugs are still the very best in the whole wide world.

Thanks for my work ethic, my love of Busby Berkeley films & club sandwiches, for teaching me the importance of handwritten thank you notes, and for giving me that signature Markle nose. I love you xo -Bean."

Seems that TM's comment in his interview on Channel 5 the other evening where he hoped Archie had his nose was not a nasty comment (I didn't think it was anyway) after all.

So, in 2016, Meghan seemed on really good terms with TM in June and at Thanksgiving. She also called him excitedly to tell him of her blossoming relationship with Prince Harry. Later H&M spoke to TM on the phone and PH asked if he could marry Meghan. So things were fine until their engagement at least.

I don't get it. There doesn't seem to have been a major falling out with TM that TM's family have knowledge of and none of Meghan's friends leaked anything of such nature to the press.

Why did they exclude TM when they included Doria?
Why wasn't he protected like Doria was?
Did the RF think issuing the press with a plea not to bother Meghan's family or print papped photos was actually adequately protecting him?

There were hundreds of hangers on that made H&M's wedding guest list yet even Meghan's uncles on Doria's side didn't get invitations. Unfathomable.

Rousette I assume it’s v v high brow as MM herself assured us only the UK has gutter press. Fox News etc also reported once People had broken the story

Rousette
I wonder why you’re on these threads? You disagree with nearly every post and seem to thrive on conflict. There are lots of other pro Meghan threads you can join. What are you getting out of being here?

The hypocrisy of MM supporters is nearly shocking. They must be modelling themselves on her

No. I just don't believe everything I read in the Daily Mail.

Buttery When I said the Queen knew, the RF knew you will see I am saying that they knew that H&M wanted to take a step back and they were working out logistics.

has someone said that Meghan is some kind of innocent, misunderstood victim ,? I missed that .

According to you.

Everything on the thread and indeed Mumsnet is 'according to that person'. It's not a peer reviewed source with lab results to report. This as an attempt to put other posters down is fairly transparent.

NotEverything IMO it feels like everything is carefully curated to serve a purpose and support a narrative (friends and family included) and unfortunately the people you reference above are not useful so are cut. All IMO of course.

Sunset have people got to explain to you why they are on a thread?
Is it a new bit of MN etiquette or are you just trying to provoke an argument ?

Rousette sure, but that implies that the only party doing anything wrong or hurtful were the Sun. Harry and Meghan released the statement without warning the Queen and subsequent reporting showed she wasn't cool with that.

Yes I’ve decided to open and close all comments with IMO so it’s clear to some other posters that I do not have a peer review prior to each post. I thought it was clear that an online forum for discussion amongst us normal folk was for chat, discussion, supposition, opinion sharing but apparently not...

Sunset Because I'm astounded at the vitriol directed at her and also want to correct some falsities. Believe me I really don't thrive on conflict. I just hate it when a gang of people lay into someone and quote stuff that is wrong.

Don't worry, I'm having brunch soon so you can all carry on regardless!

Everyone knows what the daily mail is like. Personally I think the apologies to linking to it are tiresome.

No sensible person takes it as gospel.

Can I suggest scrolling past and not engaging with deliberately goady posters that way we avoid bun fights and circular arguments they seem to favour so much. Anyone can post, we can personally choose who to engage with

buttery not even reporting, she herself in her statement showed she was not happy with it.

“ Discussions with The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are at an early stage. We understand their desire to take a different approach, but these are complicated issues that will take time to work through.”

This as an attempt to put other posters down is fairly transparent

Don't be daft! I'm too long in the tooth and have been on MN for far too long to start that sort of stupid game.

"SunsetBoulevard3*

He isn’t going to have any male friends out there of the sort he is friendly with now. No ex military, hunting shooting fishing types . Just M’s stylist type friends with whom he has nothing at all in common
Maybe he does have more in common with Meghan's friends than is realised? When you look back he is a prince who likes to party, he's been involved in drugs, his Las Vegas debacle, both PW & PH enjoyed going out to night clubs. I think he likes the limelight too and, being in the shadow of his brother, he wants some of the spotlight on him.

Yes I’ve decided to open and close all comments with IMO so it’s clear to some other posters that I do not have a peer review prior to each post.

You’d think it’s obvious, like many other things, but apparently not

IMO it feels like everything is carefully curated to serve a purpose and support a narrative (friends and family included) and unfortunately the people you reference above are not useful so are cut. All IMO of course.

I agree

Don't be daft! I'm too long in the tooth and have been on MN for far too long to start that sort of stupid game.

Ditto - and you started it!

Genuinely have to go out - be back later.

Can I suggest scrolling past and not engaging with deliberately goady posters that way we avoid bun fights and circular arguments they seem to favour so much. Anyone can post, we can personally choose who to engage with

Y'see... this is what I take issue with. So if someone says something on here and it is actually wrong, but they are quoting it as fact, and I come along and challenge that because I have sources that show it to be wrong... I'm to be ignored and labelled as a goady poster. Rightio!

Anyway, breakfast calls... I'll leave you in peace

Imo extra preparation time and easing in MM wouldn’t have made a difference. Her way of being was always going to jar with the RF and protocol. I think she went in with her and Harry thinking they could do things their way and have control and freedom, and that they were doing the RF a favour by modernising it and bringing some glam.

Ditto - and you started it!

can we take it that people are quite able to realise,without frequent reminders and all by themselves , that they don't have to respond posts ?

if you feel a poster is being deliberately goady either address them with your concern or report the post

otherwise IMO you are just being passive aggresive ,veiling your own goadyness by pretending that you want to prevent arguments .

Article in Tatler from May 2019

Discusses the shrinking of Harry’s old circle of “chums”

One year after the wedding, the “smart” dinner parties who have connections in Harry’s circle were predicting “5 years. And 2 kids”.

MM was very in with the Soho House crowd. Where is Markus Anderson since the NY baby shower; which gave bad optics to MM.
Also, her previous boyfriend, the chef Cory Vitello,w who may or may not have overlapped with Prince Harry was a founding member of Soho House Toronto; so they may have given MM and “in” into that crowd.

Initially I thought she’d be a breath of fresh air and they’d get young people to support the RF.

I agree, I thought they had so much potential as a new royal couple and they could have been truly fantastic for the RF. It's a shame that it hasn't worked out that way, but it's their life.