Harry & Meghan 14

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A thread for those who wish to discuss what's in the news and what your take on it is.

I personally think it was the moment she was told to turn around on the balcony for a flyover or whatever it's called. I think she probably said to herself - fuck this for a game of soldiers! You can shove yer royal protocol up yer holes! If I recall correctly the baby was a few weeks old at the time as there was a lot of speculation as to what she was turning around for and a lot of people suggested that maybe Archie was crying.

I'd probably have had the same reaction if I was her.

I also think when she released the photo of Archies foot, she was possibly expecting a lot of 'aw, how cute and artful'. What she got was 'FFS, show us his face not his blooming foot!'. I think that might have made her realise how different British culture is to American too.

I agree DeTwamps. They both come from completely different worlds, neither of them have had normal lives. He'll be as out of place over there as she was here. I don't know how a go-getting Los Angelean actress no less expected to just fit in to something as traditional and regimented as the royal family and hit the ground running. I had my doubts as soon as she said that, can't remember if it was in the engagement video.

When I went to NYC I kept hearing 'oh, you're from England. How quaint!' I was only there for eight days but got eye strain from rolling them so often

But they'd probably see Harry's life as quintessentially quaint. He comes from a background of stately homes and the aristocracy etc what common ground will there be?

Derailing from what, exactly?

The thread title is Meghan and Harry 14.

The OP is A thread for those who wish to discuss what's in the news and what your take on it is.

Isn't that what chat forums are about though - conjecture and speculation and idle gossip and chat?

I think they're for all sorts of things, including gossip and conjecture. Some gossip can be light hearted!

This is not all idle gossip- My guess is she''ll make a move on Archie next. He can go live with her, because Meghan is struggling. It's disgusting. Because this is a moderated forum I think people expect more.

And it's not idle gossip on a wider scale, as I've explained. The idle gossip and light-hearted banter is fueling the abusive news cycle targeting the family. These threads aren't innocent entertainment.

But that's boring, and derailing apparently.

hit the ground running. I had my doubts as soon as she said that, can't remember if it was in the engagement video

Yep, it was from the engagement video. I think the phrase was “boots on the ground” . It sounds like a military term, so Harry, as much as her, would have got carried away with the potential.

The irony is, if they’d actually stayed in London, at KP it could have been less boring for her.
The initial combo of KP and a country place near Soho House so she could see her friends from that milieu would have been better.

They have both made hugely impulsive decisions

Marry in haste and all that.
A bit of patience, on both their parts and less of a desire to shake up the institution as soon as she arrived.

Well one thing is sure ... it's been awful quite lately, which is strange when you think about it.
Maybe they really do want the quite life?
Maybe one does and one doesn't?
We won't know ... till something occurs 🤔

If I wished to argue theoretical points I'd take up philosophy or apologetics.

Well that the poster stated My guess is suggests that it's not to be taken as fact! As things stand, Doria spent 6 weeks with them after the birth. I would presume that while Meghan was briefly here for the announcement, that Archie was with Doria rather than a Nanny. Possibly Doria doesn't want the child reared by the royal family. I'd presume she is heavily involved. Which obviously shuts out Archie's other grandparent - Charles - since he can't very well up sticks and head to Canada for 6 weeks to be with Harry and Archie. Well he could I suppose!

I have spelt quite , wrong and again autocorrect on this phone is killing me! I'll say silence instead 😃

I think for Meghan, rather than
Veni
Vidi
Vinci

It was a case of
Veni
Vidi
I ran like fuck!

Two more things while I'm thinking about them

I don't know if it was discussed at the time, I wasn't on MN much when it was released. Their Christmas photo with Archie right up to the camera. I saw it was criticised for Harry being blurry. Meghans body was also out of focus, but her face was razor sharp in comparison. If her face had been digitally altered after, why not Harry's? They were both the same distance away from the camera

Also, with 'friends' of the couple leaking things to the press. It's been argued on here how much of what we've based our opinions on them come from the couple themselves. Releasing things via friends gives them plausible deniability and distance. Most of what the press have published that they claim come from friends has been really credible when you look at how it ties in to their actions

There's a programme that's on Sky News sometimes - can't remember whether it's a weekend thing or a once a day thing, where they have the Editors of the Daily Mail and the Mirror on discussing stuff. The two seem to frequently disagree with each other - in fact it's usually a 'whose dick is bigger debate', but both of them do seem rather clued in to what's going on. They do seem to come across as quite intelligent, despite their willy waving. I know they can be trashy, although, I actually read both of them on FB, but I would say 90% of the time they are probably on the money. A bit like sniffer hounds. They get the scent and they're off. I don't disbelieve everything I read in the papers.

Katie, I had heard that photo was maybe altered by the press? I don't know the full tale but with modern tech its too easy to mess with images.

Maybe someone else has followed it?

"Well that the poster stated My guess is suggests that it's not to be taken as fact!"

What can you (general, not you in particular) do with this then? What is the point? Post whatever you fancy, however bad, as it's your guess or your opinion.

First poster appears to think I'll say something really shitty about the grandma, she wants to take the baby, so devious and posts accordingly.

I flag this up as nasty. Second poster, you can't expect them to mean this, here's some more conjecture about what they actually mean, where the grandma is still excluding Prince Charles

If her face had been digitally altered after, why not Harry's?

Wasn't the alteration done by one of the media outlets that published it?

I never said the Grandma is deliberately excluding Charles.

There is no debate about Andrew.

If I was being told off for being cynical about him online It might provoke a response.

Christ, this policing every comment everyone makes is rather tedious! Jesus, none of us know wtf is going on behind the scenes! We're chatting ffs! You seem to want this to be some sort of political debate with only peer reviewed evidence put forth in the discussion. Well, sorry - but this is a chat forum!

Most of what the press have published that they claim come from friends has been really credible when you look at how it ties in to their actions

Two editors: both of them do seem rather clued in to what's going on. They do seem to come across as quite intelligent, despite their willy waving.

They're very practiced at this! They will be very intelligent and clued in. This is how they sell papers, they have to have at least some reasonably credible stories. Also they get real sources sometimes, not denying that, often ones with agendas though. I've never suggested you disbelieve everything in the press.

I just can’t see why Harry thought she was’ the one’.
In no respect are they well matched. I think there was a lot of heady romantic talk about ‘changing the world’ and unrealistic ideas of what they could do within the confines of the RF. Harry really should have known better. I suspect he did in his heart of hearts, but was carried away with it all. He had never been in a relationship with someone from another culture and background before and it probably seemed tremendously exciting.
She , despite being warned, wouldn’t listen. She was carried away by the excitement and kudos of being involved with a prince.
I suspect the family had serious reservations. I suspect William saw the writing on the wall.
The whole thing has tipped up like a boat in the water very quickly and they are now floundering around trying to get onto land.

Coming back to this thread after a few hours away to see its rumbling along. I have no idea what the other threads mentioned are but it’s amusing that there seems to be Us & Them threads. Anyway...

As it happens, I am on friendly terms with someone well-known who is good friends with MM. I haven’t discussed her with them though and I don’t intend to unless they bring her up.

So my opinion is my conjecture. Although reasonably informed because, as I’ve said before, as a fan of Suits from the beginning, I was aware of MM long before she and Harry became an item.

I remember being somewhat baffled at his MM seemed to be featured in magazines and online a lot, more then the stars of the show (both male), And more than Gina Torres who was a name and had clout, or Sarah Raffety who had more TV credits and who also did/does philanthropic work.
After all at the time, MM’s role on Suits really wasn’t that big or integral. She was basically a photogenic, generic love interest, and the quality of the writing was certainly better for Torres & Rafferty and the male leads. That’s not a criticism of her but of the showrunner(s)/writers. Funnily enough, after her and Harry became public, she was practically front and centre of Suits publicity and her part became much bigger (Again, that’s in the showrunner - making hay while the sun shines.)

But in those early days, she had a lot of publicity because she was pushing for it. She did a fashion label with a Canadian brand, she set up the Tig, she came over here, she did a lot of photographic shoots, and she became a UN ambassador. Kudos to her- she certainly knew how to turn her role on a second-rate show into something that was getting her name out there. There are many people who’ve said she was deliberately courting publicity in the US, Canada and over here. I remember photos of her with people like Giles Coren’s wife and Jamie Theakston pre-engagement. She was at Soho Farmhouse a fair bit.

My point is that pre-Harry she was courting the media and fame (and doing some activism). To fit into the RF she’d have to have dialled all of that ambition and networking and quest for recognition down. It was a big ask.

I think that there are threads about Andrew. Personally he comes across to me as being as intelligent as a 6 inch cavity block, so I don't bother clicking into the threads. As far as I'm aware, there's a police investigation and he has said he'll cooperate with that. Haven't heard more from him. Well, I saw a photo of him heading to Church with the Queen alright, but that's about it. Perhaps he's praying for forgiveness lol!

Policing and derailing now the labels of choice of if I dare to reply!?

I'm not breaking any rules... But then you know that!

rocking I just don’t get what you’re getting out of being on this thread. You disagree with everyone , fair enough. Why don’t you start your own thread with your own views?