Harry & Meghan 14

[yolofish]

A thread for those who wish to discuss what's in the news and what your take on it is.

Personally, I think what quite a few posters want is not to have their own posts denigrated as unfounded conjecture and opinion

Not sure that I can help here then...

I haven't denigrated (criticised unfairly) any posts!
I have criticised posts fairly (challenged posts or asked for clarification) especially if they're inflammatory. This to me is discussion, as opposed to posting in an echo chamber.

If something is unfounded conjecture and opinion, than I have as much right to politely challenge it as they have to say it on a discussion forum.

in contrast to your notion of your own posts as rooted in greater moral and factual integrity.

I think have always tried to post morally and stick to the facts. Some (not all) posters haven't. So, yes, to me, my posts may have more integrity than some others.

So, I suppose we'll have to stay as we are!

As another poster mentioned, someone made mention of Doria being a driving force a few threads back, and then the DM run with a story all about her. I've advanced searched and the comments were made on 23rd. Article printed 25th. Coincidence or do the DM read MN?

These were the comments made.

Fainne Thu 23-Jan-20 17:11:12
I actually think that the never quoted, silent type that is Doria, may be responsible for a lot more of this hoohaa than we give her credit for.

She always appears subservient in photos. Innocent as fuck. Little old me? Why yes, I'll just sit here on my own.

Behind the scenes?

You'd be a bigger fool to believe it.

Add message | Report | Message posterSunsetBoulevard3 Thu 23-Jan-20 17:12:54
Yes Fainne, completely agree. She is supposedly advising Harry, though how true that is we will never know. She certainly has their ear. I don't get the impression she is advising caution or has much time for the RF's point of view.

Fainne Thu 23-Jan-20 17:19:22
I have a mother like Doria. Butter would not melt. In public.

Behind the public loving grandma persona lies a wolf in sheep's clothing.

She's the one to watch I feel. If she's anything like my mother, she will be pushy behind the scenes, but play the innocent in public. She would never be stupid enough to sully her OWN reputation.

My guess is she''ll make a move on Archie next. He can go live with her, because Meghan is struggling.

I have to say, the bickering here is more entertaining than any mention of Meghan and Harry lol. I love a good old punch up!

I'd keep it on the DL though as MN have form for deleting threads that have descended into bun fights.

I don’t understand why posters keep engaging with the derailers. It would make for a much nicer thread if they didn’t.

It's entertaining Froq! To me at least.

Coincidence or do the DM read MN?

Not sure about this particular thread, but they definitely read MN - look at all the AIBU threads that have ended up as stories in the Mail!

I'd keep it on the DL though as MN have form for deleting threads that have descended into bun fights.

Which is why some people nicely ask others to keep scrolling and ignore goady posters who want things to descend into a bunfight

They've already stated in their other thread they don't understand why these threads are still going.

So let's not give them what they want. Let them complain and throw around criticisms, who bloody cares?

I don’t understand why posters keep engaging with the derailers. It would make for a much nicer thread if they didn’t.

Yes, it's those who choose to engage with the derailers who will be equally responsible if the thread gets pulled

Well there is certainly one particular poster who challenges any and all criticism of Meghan, however remote.
I think it's naive to think that a thread about a controversial character like Meghan is ever going to be all sweetness and light.

I think it was Wendy who stated that Meghan saw the marriage to Harry as a career move. I'd like to think that that was not her initial intention, but it quite certainly appears to have become the view from the outside now!

I don’t understand why posters keep engaging with the derailers. It would make for a much nicer thread if they didn’t

I avoid it where I can but on previous threads a narrative was created combined with reporting perfectly innocuous posts, where MNHQ were dishing out multiple then final warnings before deletion because of the sheer number of unnecessary reports from a few posters. I do feel that some balance has had to be offered on the threads to avoid this happening again.

If they came back, said, we were wrong (and had a baby) they would be forgiven. I don’t think the British will bear grudges, as long as they support the Queen and try to be team players
I don't see that happening. And even when/if they divorce, were PH to return I doubt his previous patronages would be falling over themselves to get him back on board.

@DeTwamps Well those posts certainly tick the unfounded conjecture box! And to me, they are pretty nasty.

On a wide scale, I definitely think online media like this will have influenced stories like the one about Doria as they get feedback on what targets and angles get most attention.

I don't know how common attacking Doria was on other websites as well?

Journalists have poached ideas from MN before. If I was a gossip tabloid writer, browsing these threads could give me a good indication of what stories could be fruitful!

When you click on a link through Mumsnet to get to a website like the Sun, do their cookies register it came from MN?

On an unrelated note . I was always under the impression that the U.K. media even the gutter press cannot run stories that are fabricated or they face libel charges and must print retractions .. is this no longer true?
I know the dm exaggerate for a good spin but surely out right untruths would be a no no ?
Or has this now changed?

The chances of Meghan returning are slim and none. She has nothing over here. She certainly appears to have hated it enough to move continents. Why would she return to Britain even if things don't go favorably for her in Canada? Harry, on the other hand, will be lost over there I fear. Unless he can try to embrace Meghan's circle of friends or something. I think he'll end up quite lonely.

I think it was Wendy who stated that Meghan saw the marriage to Harry as a career move

Not quite. Not the marriage itself, but the opportunities being a member of the royal family would bring her. And I do not judge her for that. I imagine for most intensely career minded people this would form part of their decision making process.

And as ever, this is IMO only.

@rockingchaircandle Isn't that what chat forums are about though - conjecture and speculation and idle gossip and chat?

Yeah Wendy, I do see where you're coming from. I've been agreeing with a lot of what you said btw but not posted as such as I haven't wanted to contribute to the back and forth and indirectly engage.

I'm really enjoying the chat with like minded people ☺️

I suppose Meghan probably saw becoming royal as a plus, but I doubt it was ever her sole reason for marrying Harry.

Derailers is the new scolds. You can't call it a discussion if people can't disagree. It's not a private forum.

Keep attributing sinister motives but my posts show I've engaged, made clear points, acknowledged points of view etc. It did seem like it'd opened up a bit more but back to 'leave if you don't like it'/ freeze them out.

The sycophants idea is particularly laughable and hypocritical!

Silencing is the sign of a weak argument.

But it's pointless disagreeing with someone's opinion. Argue your own opinion, but it's unlikely you'll change someone else's.

I'd love to know at what point Meghan thought to herself "sheesh this is boring and limited as ....! I can't do this forever!" What event or walk about tipped her over the edge.

She was hardly a naive young bride. She knew what she was marrying in to and what it would involve

Actually I think even the most hardened of people would have little idea of the obsessive public interest in her and the hate-filled outpourings of Piers Morgan et al.

Meanwhile, in other non news, Prince Andrew continues as normal without the full glare of tabloid and social media opprobrium

The chances of Meghan returning are slim and none. She has nothing over here. She certainly appears to have hated it enough to move continents. Why would she return to Britain even if things don't go favorably for her in Canada? Harry, on the other hand, will be lost over there I fear. Unless he can try to embrace Meghan's circle of friends or something. I think he'll end up quite lonely.

Also

the opportunities being a member of the royal family would bring her. And I do not judge her for that. I imagine for most intensely career minded people this would form part of their decision making process

I think the Queen is desperately trying to save Harry from extra heartache. But agreed Meghan is career minded, and this may well end up just being “irreconcilable differences”

I suspect behind the scenes; although hoping for a positive outcome; they are probably getting advice from family lawyers too,