Harry & Meghan 14

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A thread for those who wish to discuss what's in the news and what your take on it is.

I'd like it if Charles kept his own name, as the current Queen has done, but I think another factor is that the previous King Charleses are seen as unlucky so it doesn't augur well to use the name. (Though it does then make you wonder about the Queen using it. It was surely pretty clear by the time Charles was born that he'd be the next heir to the throne.)

Curly sounds like HMQ is bending over as far as she can , for them . Which is unprecedented as far as I know?

Maybe HMQ also feels they've been unfairly treated?

She may not have thought that far ahead Buttery , I think her father dying was a big shock, or maybe she thought he'd change it, who knows .

Of course the Queen was aware of the reigns of Charles I and II. As the next heir form an early age, she was educated in British history, including constitutional history. And Charles II was not all that unlucky. His taking the throne restored the monarchy.

Has anyone watched film about Elizabeth and Mary ? Not sure if I fancy or not , might not be too accurate.

@ilovejeffgoldblum

I think HM has learnt from 3 generations of the RF who have had various unhappinesses ( i know it’s not a word, yswim)
Margaret had it hardest, marrying a divorcee as we can see is nothing now.
With Diana & Fergie, they had zero support and preparation, so even as quickly as Sophie, she was allowed to live with Prince Edward Nd had an 8 year courtship. Same as Kate. They both have good marriages and impeccable working royal credentials.

I wonder whether Eduardo, the fiancé of Beatrice is attending unofficial “Prince School” to prepare him.
Luckily, the men tend to fly under the radar, but as he is marrying into Andrew’s family and has a child, he may well come under more scrutiny.

Charles II was a good king for the times, he wasn't bothered too much about religion which was a relief to most after the Puritan era.

after that big steaming exit they’d probably see it as admitting defeat

Perhaps Meghan might.
Thing is after every thing she has said about the British; the media will give her a pasting.
They should lay low I the UK if they come back, and stick to Commonwealth visits.

I just cannot see it working out long term in North America if they keep their title.

If they came back, said, we were wrong (and had a baby) they would be forgiven. I don’t think the British will bear grudges, as long as they support the Queen and try to be team players.

Luckily, the men tend to fly under the radar

Yes, indeed. It's only the women who marry in who get vitriolic scrutiny.

rocking

It seems controlling as they are denying her agency if they are saying she didn't have a right to make those decisions her way, which some but not all are.

Controlling behaviour is about actually being able to influence someone else, as a dictionary definition shows:
"the situation of being under the regulation, domination, or command of another"
Posters here can't do that to Meghan. As I said before, they're expressing an opinion or judgement. So your interpretation of that as 'controlling' is (IMHO, obvs) weak. That's fine, because it's your interpretation! But that's all it is.

I'm not really sure what people want

Personally, I think what quite a few posters want is not to have their own posts denigrated as unfounded conjecture and opinion in contrast to your notion of your own posts as rooted in greater moral and factual integrity. As per your 'controlling' post, there really isn't a big difference here.

Apologies for the lengthy post about posting. Off out again so will return to the thread later.

Interesting curly , I always felt sorry for Margaret ( I'm a romantic!) .
She may well as you say learnt from the past , I think she regrets what happened with her sister ( my opinion only) .
Also she is getting very old now maybe she's relaxing rules slightly now . ( or doesn't care?)
I would have been great if it had panned out the way we all thought it would.
New blood the Fab Four etc
Also might have brought UK and USA closer ...who knows.

I don't think Meghan and Harry have anything to apologise for!

The institution definitely needs a big shake up. There was talk of it going to William rather than Charles at all. I think once the Queen dies, the royals popularity will go downhill even further.

I suppose Charles will get his chance to choose a name but I think support for the traditions as they stand is crumbling. Perhaps one reason why the RF have resisted any changes from Meghan and Harry, could have a domino effect.

The royals popularity always wicks and wanes , has always been the way . The nation will morn the queen for many its all they've ever known, sympathy will be with pc and this will sway public opinion.
Also he will be the first king for many , I think it will lead to some excitement for some!

I don’t know anything about Margaret (am on the younger side and not British), but she looks so glamorous in photos, she had star quality I think.

I think it a real stretch to believe that MM walked away from a very successful acting career to marry PH. She'd never made it in Hollywood. She'd been a lowly suitcase girl on Deal Or No Deal. Finished up as a supporting actress on a B list TV show, and hitting the wrong side of 35. Hollywood isn't exactly well known for its plethora of roles for post 35 year old actresses.

Just popping in to post a snippet from this week's Private Eye which is a bumper issue.

@LydiaLangwish Ha ha - thanks for sharing that!

It’s all gone a bit quiet on the Canadian front, hasn’t it? I’d guess that H&M are taking stock and regrouping before making their next move, whatever that will be...

Your romanticism may be misplaced, jeff. Margaret herself had apparently cooled off at the end of their enforced separation. There's no guarantee they would have married even if the establishment had allowed it. The opposition gave them both a convenient and dignified exit.

She had a difficult marriage to AAJ mind you. I feel some sympathy for her there.

7worfs there was a documentary on channel 4 ? I think 💭. All about her , it was really interesting and sad in places if you can see it you should . She was very glam!
I heard years ago a snippet of gossip, which may be untrue .
HMQ asked pp who her preferred as pm was considered a great beauty , and he replied that he preferred her as she was kinder !
( this could all be rubbish mind!)

@Butterymuffin

Ok, perhaps 'thinking they know best then'? I'm trying to describe the idea that people get angry when they see her make decisions they think she shouldn't have, eg 'she shouldn't have given up, it wasn't much racism/ that much intrusion'. They're angry that she didn't make the decision they feel they would. So, I'm amazed at people who think they know better than the person involved, based on nothing.

Individual posters can't influence anything no. But as a thread it's contributed to the news cycle about Meghan and Harry. All these threads aren't happening in a vacuum. Today, on one thread, the DM, the Sun and whatever that Harry Sparkle website was, will have had extra traffic directed to it from here. They will make more money and come out with more of these speculative stories, that will posted on here. And so on. Multiply that by 14 threads. It's not the only place online where this is happening either.

So there is real influence. These threads contribute to the attitude of the press and therefore impact Meghann and Harry as the targets of these stories.

Personally, I think what quite a few posters want is not to have their own posts denigrated as unfounded conjecture and opinion in contrast to your notion of your own posts as rooted in greater moral and factual integrity.

But so many of the anti-Meghan and anti-Harry posts do appear to be based on unfounded conjecture. This is a discussion forum and pointing out questionable sources of information is part of discussion. If you want an echo chamber, there are lots of other online options.

Personally, I think what quite a few posters want is not to have their own posts denigrated as unfounded conjecture and opinion in contrast to your notion of your own posts as rooted in greater moral and factual integrity. As per your 'controlling' post, there really isn't a big difference here

Amen! 🙏🏻

True my , I watched the crown and saw that ( I know it's not a documentary!)
Also the documentary did nit burnish the Rose , there was some elements that wasn't favourable. Still well never know for sure I suppose.

As this is the 14th thread which predominantly deals with the other side of the situation, why on earth are people trying their best to disrupt discussion?

Why not remove yourselves from it and go form a more sycophantic thread to add to the many and various in place already?