Harry & Meghan 14

[yolofish]

A thread for those who wish to discuss what's in the news and what your take on it is.

I see these threads as essentially like a group of friends having a coffee and a chat

Happily I don’t have friends who tear into a (female POC) public figure

If they did, they would no longer be friends. Not sure whether I could be bothered to call them out on it

Sorry bold fail 😐, I'm crap at posting on tiny phone🤔

Meghan did an awful lot before she even met Harry, was always interested in various causes and had a strong social conscience.

It was a good time for her as an actress, Suits was very popular and had made her into a star, she would have gone much further too. People seem to forget that Meghan gave up quite a lot to be with Harry - she may have been ready for a change, who knows, and she loved/loves him but still, the acting world must be something she missed She wasn't in her late thirties when she met Harry! On the contrary was at exactly the right age for her career to be taking off.

not everyone welcomed her

Well, no, but then I cant think of anyone who is universally welcomed anywhere. Who on earth expects everyone to like them?

Sure there were racist remarks, mostly below the line stuff on media. Straight outta Compton was shit.

But in general I think the British public attitude was that they were pleased H was getting married, M was beautiful and they seemed very much in love.

Then they get told she hates it here, the RF were unwelcoming, we're all racist etc etc - that's a bit of a slap in the face really.

If the link I posted is true , it apears the queen offered a solution which would have enabled mm to continue acting with her blessing! Seems HMQ was thinking of both of their happiness.

Yes Yolo a real slap in the face!

rockingchair if the article was true and the Queen offered them this type of life from the beginning Then they would have exited quietly, no titles , no royal tours , then it wouldn’t make such an impact or generate enough media coverage.
By saying "look I was suffocated and crushed , I had no voice and media was treating me horribly" you have a narrative that so many people feel strongly about, it’s as simple as that,

see these threads as essentially like a group of friends having a coffee and a chat.

Exactly this, Sunset. I have friends with whom I disagree. I don't feel the need to be rude or insulting to them in expressing my opinion. I don't aggressively challenge theirs. I listen to their point of view and if we can't find a meeting point we agree to disagree.

People on here haven't been civil. It seems silly to pretend otherwise. I've said nothing to be ashamed of on here. There's a lot of posters who can't say the same. Often the ones shouting the loudest. But we won't agree on who has been civil, and when/how it's acceptable to challenge views.

Over on the 'dinners and cattiness' thread, I saw the allegations about scolds and certain posters etc were continuing (out of the way of any chance you respond). I completely disagreed but haven't posted there. Can you not just carry on over there and leave it off this thread. I think it's clear we don't agree.

To be honest , I wasn't that bothered I was happy for them . But not now , I don't necessarily blame mm ( she can't be held to the same standard as ph) but I do blame ph
He knows the rules being born to it .
He was a big favourite with the public , very loved .
What he gas said and fine is disrespectful and rather upsetting.

Sorry said and done!
Rocking that's just not true , I have been posting on that thread st the same time as here . No mention of mm or scolds .
Also we can post where we like thanks!

At the moment fried eggs are being discussed!
Did you pop over to check if you were mentioned?
Sad!

She wasn't in her late thirties when she met Harry!

True - she was 34, about to be 35, so mid-30s. Would she really have gone much further as an actress after Suits? It's difficult to know. I highly doubt she'd have become an A-list Hollywood film star at that age, but I'm sure she could have continued on doing Suits-level stuff and made good money from it. They do say it gets harder for female film stars to find work as they age, but I don't know how true that is in TV.

ilovejeffgoldblum I agree. I think PH has behaved far worse. I do think it's desperation though. I think he knows M "has options" or at least she has made it clear she's off whether he comes or not.

True Wendy , I feel sorry for pc ( never thought I'd say that!) .
Always thought ph was his favourite .
He must feel betrayed.

Meghan deserves her own agency, we don't know the full facts.

I can't see any reason, other than hearsay and gut feelings, why the following can't be true:

• She decided to give up her acting career for Harry. She was offered the chance to continue acting but decided she was ready to move on and/or she wanted Harry to be able to continue as he was

• She hoped to make it work, despite warnings. She was grateful for those who did welcome her, and didn't expect a universal welcome.

• Unfortunately, she faced racism and abuse in the press and online (it's not up to us to decide how much of either she should have to put up with).

• She decided jointly with her husband that they couldn't keep facing that abuse from (some) of the anonymous public, and the press. They negotiated their stepping back, which was always going to be controversial.

I have no reason to believe she's manipulative or conniving, I've only seen people interpret this through the speculation of the press and online.

I hardly think a mid thirties B list actress would have gone far, it’s the industry ,just like modeling.
Suits was not well known to offer her something bigger or on a similar level, so many famous tv show actress went on to do lesser known shows and just a small percent made it through.

With respect rocking , and I don't mean this to sound nasty . But you seem seriously obsessed with mm , you won't accept any negative comment even with proof.
No person is entirely good or motiveless, you must see this ?

@ilovejeffgoldblum

Ignoring your childish language...

You can post where you like! It was a polite request.

I did pop in to the other thread, it's a public forum and I was just being a bit nosey. Human nature! I thought it was seemed a bit more optimistic at the end of the last thread that people didn't want bun fights etc.

But I saw the allegations continuing and thought it was sneaky. There were the familiar posts, about how stressful it was having your opinions challenged, it being deliberate to get threads deleted, snide digs, collective 'we haven't done anything wrong', 'I think this should be ignored' etc. I've no idea what does and doesn't meet the guidelines anymore, but thought if you were going to carry on policing, at least you were doing it on the other thread out of the way.

But it seems it can't be contained!

@rockingchaircandle
What childish language?
Don't get personal with me , I haven't with you.
I've been on that thread snd what you're saying is completely untrue!
Are so paranoid, that you think it's all about you?
Enough.

NancyDrewCrew

Bugger me. Some of you don't want to back up your opinion with a source or a link to the info you are weighing in on or stating as fact. No wonder the world is fucked. Even 12 year olds can do point, evidence, explain.

This is not a classroom.

@ilovejeffgoldblum

With respect rocking , and I don't mean this to sound nasty . But you seem seriously obsessed with mm , you won't accept any negative comment even with proof. No person is entirely good or motiveless, you must see this ?

Ok, I don't often literally lol but I did there!

I've seen no proof! I've taken time to explain that and pointed out where I agree with posters to try and work out how we're coming to different conclusions. I've deliberately thought about how to phrase things so it doesn't sound like I'm assuming she's entirely innocent.

I've not really read much on MM, didn't really have an opinion until I started to trying to understand the strength of opinion against her. So I don't think I'm obsessed but I'm not on my 14th thread about her!

I think your tone is often one of the most disrespectful on here, so your opening sentence seems hollow.

IMO is understood to be the case. No need to do so to please others.

Poppyfields21

This is a woman with a baby you're talking about here

What an odd thing to say. Once one procreates are we all meant to give them a free pass to behave exactly as they like for the rest of their lives?

What a silly and desperate “point of debate”.

Meghan deserves her own agency, we don't know the full facts

By 'her own agency', do you mean 'the ability to share her own version of events'? And if/when she does that, will you regard that as 'the full facts', or as her version of events which will be just as partial and subjective as those from anyone else?

If they are going to benefit from trading off the RF connection; then surely they should reimburse the privileges and costs they insure as a result of it

Do you think the same then about Salman Rushdie and the Satanic Verses?