H & M - The Cat, The Barber and the Argyll Pheasant Pluckers

[TheMustressMhor]

I hope I've got what everyone wants in the title of this, the twelfth thread in the series.

FlickingVees definitely, it's great to discuss and dissect behaviour, and having a framework is really useful for people to be able to reflect on their own experience. Clearly it's coming with people.
But there are so many other possible frameworks, films, TV, literature, that could be used that don't rely on a real family. Sounds like you really know your stuff, I just wish it wasn't based on a real woman who has so much speculation about her already.

Some people definitely are engaging on that level but the fact that it's based on this family means it's also attracting a lot of vitriol fuelled by other motivations. And there's a Mean Girls feel to it all too. Like other posters (who I have no affiliation to! ) I was happy it has improved, but I was sad some still feel free to push the narcissism narrative for their own entertainment. I really thought that's where MNHQ was stepping in as it was going too far.

I don't judge them for having famous and influential people at the wedding. It's one of the few things royals can barter with in return for generous support of their chosen causes. Traditionally of course those causes have been charities.

It depends what was in their minds when the invitations went out.

@GoFiguire

"? Did TM mention Archie at all in the documentary other than being vituperative about his appearance?"
He wasn't abusive or bitter about his appearance at all.
He said that he wants to meet Archie and be in his grandson's life.
He said that he saw a picture where you could just see him and that he's going to have red hair like his dad (PH).
He said he hopes Archie has his (TM's) nose so that, when Meghan looks at him, she'll be reminded of her dad.

Nothing ' vituperative' at all.

On another point, people talking about TM showing pictures of the young Meghan. If Meghan can retain ownership of a letter she sent to her father then I'm sure he has ownership of photos he took of his daughter.

True, on the ownership point.

Dh thinks the queen not going to the WI is very strange, and hopes it is just a cold keeping her away. Especially if it is a meeting with a speaker such as Huw Edwards. I hope so too, I feel sorry for her, sometimes she looks very elderly (which she is).

I don't judge them for having famous and influential people at the wedding. It's one of the few things royals can barter with in return for generous support of their chosen causes. Traditionally of course those causes have been charities.

That is a valid and credible alternative explanation.

Shame it wasn't Emily Maitlis doing the TM interview.
She'd have got to the bottom of it all.

That's why I highlighted it. People think because they've read he paid for "school", it refers to what the UK call school - i.e. up to age 18, when the Americans call university school too so he might still have paid for both.

TM also said that he sees Meghan holding Archie like he did (showing a photo of him holding her) "with his little legs dangling".

regarding cats needing gel applied to inner ear - sorry can't recall poster's name - I have found it easiest to

place a piece of cling film ( double layer if liked ) on worktop
use syringe to place the miniscule amount required in the middle
wrap cling film round index finger and apply

saves using gloves as recommended and frees both hands for syringe manipulation

my cat has had both thyroids removed but one is regrowing ( who knew ! )

When TM's children by his first marriage were about 12 & 9, he thinks they were having some trouble with their mother, and both of them wanted to be back with him. They did move back to live with him.

How interesting that the two of them, plus Meghan when she reached 11, all expressed a wish to leave their mothers' homes and live with their dad again.

I wondered if the remarks about the Markle nose were a sly dig to suggest Meghan has had a nose job. Or I am just reading far too much into it?

I liked TM (as much as you can like a stranger) and always did. I think he bends the truth a bit, partly to cover himself, partly forgetfulness in old age, I don't know.

I think H was disrespectful to him (what TM said last night about conversations after staged photos and heart attack, I read the same last year) and TM wasn't haven't it. In fact, I think TM is a dose of what H needs - not someone doffing his cap and being subservient. I think when he said he was getting fitted for a hoodie (or did I imagine that) he was responding in a way that shows he thinks H a bit of a pompous dickhead and wasn't having it. Why should he? He's not British, what does he care who they are in society. TM was deserving of respect and I don't think he got it.

I think he's tried to patch things up with them but they cut him out, stupidly and cruelly. There was no need for it. I think it might have come from both - I think TM put H's nose out of joint and the petulant arse he is that TM wasn't being deferential enough meant H didn't care if TM was in MM's life any more. H has a lot of growing up to do. I wonder if he'll view things differently now he's a father and with the possibility that he might not see Archie growing up on a regular basis.

I would hope if I'd been MM, trying to drop my dad, that any future husband of mine would have been decent enough to build bridges and have been a mediator somehow.

I don't believe TM was ever that bad. MM mentioned him in glowing terms often.

Oh blimey, PC threw some shade at Mike Pence in Israel. Wonder what's going on there? Video here www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7921449/Prince-Charles-snubs-Vice-President-Mike-Pence-shaking-officials-hands-Israel.html

I'm sorry but I actually laughed out loud at the 'integrity of this thread' post. PMSL.

That you Meghan?

HMQ will be having a lie down in a darkened room with a bottle of gin IMHO.

Mustress has a bottle of pink gin she is not too keen on. Perhaps they could do a bottle swap?

If not, Fever Tree tonic is the answer

TM was asked why Meghan wanted to come and live with him at the age of 11 and he said he thinks it was because he was able to spend more time with her.

He said they spent the weekends together and also saw each other in the week anyway.

Well we have what we have rockingchair, so let’s just crack on.
You know, it is what it says on the tin.

If you want to talk about a soap or film, by all means go ahead, but I doubt anyone will bite on this thread, because this thread is about two publicly funded people in the news, and uncle Mathew, of course.

Get well soon Queenie!

I actually think that the never quoted, silent type that is Doria, may be responsible for a lot more of this hoohaa than we give her credit for.

She always appears subservient in photos. Innocent as fuck. Little old me? Why yes, I'll just sit here on my own.

Behind the scenes?

You'd be a bigger fool to believe it.

Yes Fainne, completely agree. She is supposedly advising Harry, though how true that is we will never know. She certainly has their ear. I don't get the impression she is advising caution or has much time for the RF's point of view.

Another day without a pap walk. Has Harry boringly put the kibosh on them with his arrival? I rather think so. I suspect things may be rather tense in the borrowed mansion. Never mind, at least there's plenty of room for them to sulk and hide from each other.

I have a mother like Doria. Butter would not melt. In public.

Behind the public loving grandma persona lies a wolf in sheep's clothing.

She's the one to watch I feel. If she's anything like my mother, she will be pushy behind the scenes, but play the innocent in public. She would never be stupid enough to sully her OWN reputation.

My guess is she''ll make a move on Archie next. He can go live with her, because Meghan is struggling.

She’ll be locked away counting Instagram likes and on the phone to her friends complaining about everything and asking for favours. He’ll be watching the sport on tv 24/7.

Emily Maitlis would have been great I agree. However, I really think a lot that went wrong with that PA interview was him being so far removed from real life and not (imo) very intelligent, because anyone else would have just made the right noises in that interview and walked it. Several times he was handed platinum opportunities to redeem himself by at least expressing regret over his association with E, but he refused to take them. His downfall was less about Maitlis and more about his own propensity for self-sabotage imo.

I think TM is more intelligent than that. But I agree she would have extracted more.

I bet it’s not much fun to be the nanny...