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H & M - The Cat, The Barber and the Argyll Pheasant Pluckers

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TheMustressMhor · 22/01/2020 17:13

I hope I've got what everyone wants in the title of this, the twelfth thread in the series.

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Myimaginarycathasfleas · 22/01/2020 22:30

It sounded creepy but I think it was just born of bitterness. Her relationship with Harry has effectively ruined his life. He wants to salvage something. At 75 and with no prospect of future income except what he makes from these appearances I don't entirely blame him.

And how ironic that the Sussexes are locked in negotiations about how much money they can expect from Harry's father.

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 22/01/2020 22:30

“It’s time to look after Daddy”
That was a bit creepy

I definitely think there was an unhealthy dynamic to their relationship being isolated together, he appears not to have had other woman in his personal life in the picture at the time.

Jillyhilly · 22/01/2020 22:31

I find TM to be very authentic in this documentary. Odd - the whole thing is odd - but authentic.

Actually it’s all rather creeping me out. None of this in any way speaks to healthy relationships or good boundaries or anything other than massive dysfunction. And this is what Harry has married into.

The narcissist in Meghan will hate and fear the loss of control that this documentary represents, and she will take it out on those closest to her.

Encyclo · 22/01/2020 22:31

Re: Nicholas Witchell: To be fair, all three of the Windsor men despise Witchell. Anyone remember "Just smile and wave"?

yolofish · 22/01/2020 22:31

Hmm. On balance, I think I was better off with White House Farm! (which was very good).

Didnt TM work as a lighting director in the film industry? So would have had at least a working knowledge of the pap scene, like pretty much everyone who reads the tabloids does.

Having said that, I think it's pretty damn poor that H did not meet his father in law before the wedding, T and M werent estranged at that point where they? (ooh, I know! carbon footprint!)

In other news DH has been a complete knob tonight (recovering from cancer) and I plan to bury him under the patio tomorrow. I am OK though because I have Wine

StubbleTurnips · 22/01/2020 22:32

I’m amazed by the hypocrisy of H&M - you can’t make any money by talking to the media, but we can because we’ll talk to the right ones.

Nikhedonia · 22/01/2020 22:33

If he has paid her tuition he could just publish the evidence of it? That would be terribly embarrassing for her, though.

I'm really confused by why she ended up living with her dad for those years.

Encyclo · 22/01/2020 22:34

I've read that TM has barely met his other grandchildren and Samatha once tweeted that he hates his grand daughter.

There's loads of articles out there discussing his appalling relationships with his children and grandchildren.

LizziesTwin · 22/01/2020 22:34

I think there are two different aspects of college - fees which are in the tens of thousands of $ and living expenses, ie clothes, holidays etc. Most of my US friends have set up educational trusts for their children to pay for college, maybe he paid for her fees & she worked to pay for going out.

KeepCookingWithGas · 22/01/2020 22:35

Low IQ? He's getting on and he's been unwell.

My take is that its very sad when relationships break down within families.

As to the family likenesses: Everyone involved looks a bit like each other.

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 22/01/2020 22:36

I agree @CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook

I think Thomas and Meghan were very enmeshed

And then here are the consequences

JeansNTees · 22/01/2020 22:38

OK, so Wikipedia says that he won $750,000 on the lottery in 1990. Meghan moved in at 11 years old, or around 1992, but he was still working until at least 2011 when he won an Emmy so he didn't give up work to live off his winnings. I can't see him not paying for her university. He went bankrupt in 2016.

TheMustressMhor · 22/01/2020 22:38

Quite right yolofish.

Annoying DHs should be bunged under patios more often.

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MissEliza · 22/01/2020 22:39

@WendyMoiraAngelaDarling I know how you feel. My dh, in addition to being from another culture, also comes from quite a snobby family. My dm was a very shy simple person who felt very intimidated by his family. My df and I made a lot of effort to make sure she had a fabulous outfit for my wedding. I also almost literally dragged her to my hairdresser because I knew, despite neither speaking the other's language, he would make her feel 'wow'. I wanted her to feel she looked as good as all those women from my dh's family: It took a lot of my DM's strength to cope with my wedding as it was huge and expensive as my ILs showed off. I thought of my dm when I watched Doria sitting in the chapel, looking amazingly beautiful. I'm sure she was very nervous but I reckon her ex just couldn't summon the strength she did. I feel sorry for him.

Sleepysnoozysnooze · 22/01/2020 22:39

Well that was sad and weird and creepy all at once. It's clear he adored Meghan and she seemed to reciprocate. Possibly a strange dynamic there but then maybe we just think that because it's a father/daughter thing? If she had the same type of relationship with Doria would we all be saying what a wonderful bond they had? I think the bit about her owing him is bollocks but maybe it's coming from a place of deep hurt and anger. He must be heartbroken and if everything he's said is true (I thought he was pretty plausible personally but then I'm a sucker 😂) then he's been treated appallingly by H&M.

TheMustressMhor · 22/01/2020 22:40

Oh, and yolofish - what did you think of Jeremy Bamber?

What a bastard, eh?

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annielouise · 22/01/2020 22:40

Did anyone hear how much he said a month for his pension? Was it $5600?

JeansNTees · 22/01/2020 22:40

TM says MM wanted to live with him at 11 and they together chose a rental. So this would have been about a year after he won on the lottery. I wonder if he regrets that lottery win. It may have been the start of feeling like he gave her so much growing up, that she owes him later on.

TrixieFranklin · 22/01/2020 22:41

They're all as bad as each other Shock

TheMustressMhor · 22/01/2020 22:41

Where did all the SCOLDs go?

Grin Grin Grin

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yolofish · 22/01/2020 22:42

mustress a cad, a bounder and a murderer to boot! Cant wait for the next episode the tension around the police/progress is really ratcheting up now.

NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite · 22/01/2020 22:43

Gist of the interview for those who didn't see it:

The interview took place in October 2019 over 6 days.

At 11 Meghan wanted to leave her mum and go and live with her dad. The documentary didn't say why or say anything about what Doria thought about that or what she then did.

Meghan was my most important relationship and my pride and joy.

Meghan was living with her mum for the few months before she went to college in 1999 (although Thomas thought she lived with him until she went to college).

Her first jobs were acting as a prostitute and as a stripper, as were many young actresses jobs, and then she was a briefcase girl.

In 2005 she started seeing Trevor Engelson. Then her career took off.

Thomas Markle retired (at 55?). In terms of finances, she gave him $5k one Christmas and money was usually gifts but on one or two occasions he did ask for financial help, but only $2k. She however had words with him and told him she'd given him $20k over a year.

Meghan phoned and told him she'd met someone, Harry, a Prince who spoke to him on the phone.

He lives a quiet peaceful life and then suddenly he was being hounded. His clothing was critiqued, the way he looked was critiqued, whatever he bought was critiqued. I get it every day.

Meghan and Harry said they would protect him but their idea of protection was to tell him not to talk to anybody.

The RF never sent anyone her to give advice. No-one gave me any guidance or help.

Thomas doesn't relate to Samantha's comment about Meghan being shallow and a social climber.

Thomas had a weird letter sent to "Thomas Markle, Meghan's dad who lives in Mexico". (We saw the envelope and how it was addressed). It was in his car and he never opened it until the interview. (It was a 6 page letter which was anti-Meghan and saying they didn't think she was pregnant, used a surrogate and the kind of nutjob things we've read in the press about Archie).

Meghan and Harry called Thomas and Harry asked for her hand in marriage. Thomas felt he should have gone to see him.

When I heard Harry say she was getting the family she never had that was an insult. That was bullshit. She's had 2 families that were good.

Every paper seemed to want to make me look like a dumb fat slob.

A man called Jeffrey approached him and convinced him he could help his image. Although Thomas felt it was hooky and hammy, Jeffrey convinced him by saying "you've got to trust me".

I got a percentage, 30% of the sales of the photographs but I didn't do it for money.

Harry and Meghan phoned and asked if he'd posed for the pictures and he admitted he'd lied and said no to her. Harry asked if he'd posed to be be measured for a suit and Thomas lied and said no, he'd been measured for a hoodie.

Those shots (photos) will be with me forever. I should have been smarter. I've been stupid. He apologised to Meghan and Harry. He wanted to apologise to the RF and they said "don't".

They still wanted him to go to the wedding.

He had a massive heart attack, was taken to the hospital and after an angiogram was told that it would kill him. He had stents put in. He asked about flying and was told he couldn't fly.

He phoned them and said he couldn't come to the wedding. Meghan cried and Harry seemed upset. Harry told Thomas if he'd listened to him it wouldn't have happened. Thomas said something about them preferring it of he'd died. He was hurt and hung up on them (Harry?).

He was sneaked out the back door of the hospital and watched the wedding on a little television while lying on the couch. He wanted to be there and was jealous of Charles walking her down the aisle and he cried a bit about that. (At the time, not in this interview).

He kept trying to call her all the time after the wedding. He then sent a text saying he really want to hear back from her. He never heard from her. He did this every 30 days.

If he could speak to her he would say he loves her and wants to be part of her life.

In 2015 she made a speech championing her dad, saying we need more men like my dad. (This was shown).

Meghan has now changed her story to say she worked her way through college which Thomas says is not true. He put her through college.

When Meghan wrote the letter to him, he kept it for about 6 months but when friends of Meghan's said it was a conciliatory letter trying to make peace with him, he felt defamed, and decided to release parts of it because he wanted to tell the truth. He felt the friends were telling organised lies about him.

He did say there were other parts of the letter he would never put out because they are too awful and too hurtful to him.

He was sitting in his car waiting to cross the border when he heard on the radio that Meghan was expecting a child.

He hopes Archie has his nose so that when that look at Archie they'll see him.

Thomas thinks it is a great possibility he'll never see her again. The last time they might see me is when I'm lowered into the ground.

He doesn't know who she is now.

Qu: What dd you think Harry and Meghan will say when they know you're doing this film?
I don't know what Meghan will say when she finds out I'm doing this film. She'll probably be upset because Meghan thinks I shouldn't talk to anyone.

Later interview after the split from the RF
I can't see her reaching out to me, especially now. I think the'yre lost souls. I don't think they know what they're looking for.

Encyclo · 22/01/2020 22:44

Where did all the SCOLDs go?

Here I am 👋👋

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 22/01/2020 22:44

Now that MM has successfully isolated Harry, he will realise (slowly) what has happened.

He has invested so much emotionally in his marriage (as of course, he should) that it will be very difficult for him to work out what is genuinely happening.

From bitter personal experience, what happens when you give up everything to be with the object of your worship (that's effectively what it becomes, it is NOT a normal reciprocal relationship, it devours the self) is that you cling tighter to them, even after the scales fall from your eyes, the sense of humiliation, of everything you gave up, of facing the people who tried to warn you (and you turned on them, for trying) means that you try harder and harder to 'make it work' and save face.

You blame yourself for being stupid in the same way someone swindled out of their life savings blames themselves for being so gullible instead of the deceitful liars who targeted them. You sometimes don't reveal how bad things are, because you don't want to receive pity or hear I told you so, or admit how stupid you've been. The very worst thing is having a child/children as well, it acts as further justification to go along putting up.

Eventually you get discarded. It's a bitter mercy. It truly screws you up and you end up relying on all those people you didn't listen to to put yourself back together. Eventually you emerge wiser, even better. But it leaves a mark, I tell you.

bluebell34567 · 22/01/2020 22:45

he sounded believable to me. he is old and had a heart attack, this must be taken into account as well.

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