Harry and Meghan Resigning - HRH No More

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Thread Nine.

How will they react to this?

That was the understanding the Queen had when she was a young mother, that she would have time to grow into the role but it didn’t happen. Perhaps why she is such a stickler for Duty, because she sacrificed an aspect of her life for it in a way that her Uncle didn’t.

the record suggests he was happy to keep doing his royal engagements and the queen decided for him not to.

The record suggests he was happy to ditch royal engagements when it suited him, in favour of Disney. The Queen, understandably, is not having that. She also doesn't want there to be any possibility of confusion about who he"s representing at any particular event.

Harry and Meghan are keeping their patronage’s so there are none of those to be covered

I think you are absolutely right about the impact on William and Catherine's children, Lyralalala. She is very keen for them to have the kind of safe, family-focused upbringing she had with lots of time to play and spend time outdoors.

The patronages, though...H&M might want to keep them. Depending on what happens with this court case, the patronages themselves might not want to be kept. At the very least, they will be asking themselves the question particularly if their patrons are going to be several thousand miles away for most, of not all, of the year.

The decision to let things stand still regarding the HRH titles, etc, until Spring 2020 gives everyone time to pause and reflect. Including the patronages.

i wonder if PA with the Queen is a way of easing him back into ft working royal again?

Nope. He’s definitely retired. Fell on his sword.
He’s around because he is the Queen’s favourite and she deserves some personal happiness. She’s lost a grandson and great grandson who lived down the road at Windsor. She’s allowed to have her son around in her private time.

Not trying to be unpleasant, honest, but every time I read someone wishing them good luck and godspeed into their own happy ever after, it makes my eyes roll a little further.

While I appreciate that ‘luck’ is not a zero sum commodity, and that this politeness may simply be used as a karma offset for critics, it strikes me that these not-so-retiring royals are rather further than sixth in line for being in need of the expressed desire for good fortune from we the commoners.

Don’t get me wrong: I don’t wish them to end up living in a tent under a bridge in LA, begging for change with a chipped and dirty wedding souvenir cup, struggling to spit-clean Archie for a part in ‘I’m A Celebrity Baby, Get Me Out Of Here’. Just sayin’.

I’m willing to entertain the notion that I am ill-bred for having these thoughts.

Let them make their own luck.

As for Andrew going to church, perhaps that's the best place for him, as long as his mum is there to chaperone.

Hoping everyone is ok.

I haven't caught up with the overnight comments yet, but wanted to thank you @SpanishLady for your lovely compliment regarding my comments. Thank you! I very much enjoy your comnents also

Comments even!

@spellconnoisseur I agree. It's a bit strange.

Hoping everyone is ok.

I'm glad you asked, no one has asked in at least two pages

Interesting: the Guardian analysis piece says they will be 'Harry, Duke of Sussex' etc rather than 'The Duke of Sussex'. I didn't think that was the case but I assume they've checked!

Great heavens.

We have all forgotten to ask one another if we are okay>

Shocking.

By the way, CatherineOfAragon I had a lovely fried breakfast this morning. You missed my commenting on it in real time, though.

Were they both considered to be representing the Queen on the Lion King red carpet? If so, to be shamelessly touting for business is very tacky and surely bending the rules of what is acceptable. I think this has been many people's fears regarding what H&M will consider acceptable money-making activities and what the UK public will.

They have very little cachet left in the UK. I would include Australia and largely Canada in that, with the Queen the head of the Commonwealth. Their target market to make money is the US so it remains to be seen what will happen there.

There's been a bit of a backlash about Hollywood/preaching types with the ordinary person and Ricky Gervais's speech but it's a vast market that isn't homogeneous.

Who advises Harry?
Surely someone must have said to him that ditching a military event in favour of a film premiere was not going to go down well? He should have stood up to his wife on that occasion and just said ' not on, this is more important ' and gone to pay his respects.
The fact that he didn't speaks volumes and there is a lot of criticism in the press about it too. I know nobody is perfect and I get the reasons they are off , but that stands out as an act of pure arrogance and 'I know best' attitude not to mention the fact everyone will blame his wife too. Even if she was wasn't aware of a clash of dates etc.

I do wish them well ; I've said before that the press were vile and I'm sure they have been through a lot we don't know about , but they also must take some of the blame too. The way they have handled things hasn't endeared them to many people and it is coming across as ' me me me' ! They will still get the negative press from abroad I'm sure. Life is never plain sailing.

I'm glad the Queen has sent them off with some blessings and I think that she will miss them around. I'm not sure the others will as much , but bridges may be built over time.
There will be a lot more work for them as well!

The drop of the HRH will be very interesting. They'll now have to bow/curtsey to the whole Cambridge family, even the children when out in public.

They'll also have to rebramd their Instagram. Sussex Royal is no longer wht they are. They're just Sussex.

Op so you're happy to see Harry go because he's behaved disgracefully but your ok with Andrew?

Not sure how sensible
Of the Queen it was to have Andrew by her side at church today.

the record suggests he was happy to keep doing his royal engagements and the queen decided for him not to

She didn't particularly have a choice. You can't let people who want to make money also act as working royals. They have to be impartial and there be no conflicts of interest.

When H & M make working royal public appearances, they are representing the Queen. Who is politically and commercially neutral. So she had no choice but to stop them acting on behalf of the crown.

Are you British? Because it comes across as though you don't really fully appreciate the nuances of the constitutional importance and ramifications of the Royal family, or what they are actually meant to be for.

I only ask because if you aren't, then it's no wonder why you don't understand why so many of us are pissed off.

The Royal Family aims be symbol of unification, impartiality, stability. The focus is on them serving the country as best they can and placing duty before self interest.

In return, they get a gilded cage to live in. It has worked for over 1000 years. When people are charged with a criminal offence the case is the Crown Vs Whoever. The Queens Speech opens a new parliamentary session. The role is intrinsic to the fabric of the institutions of the UK.

It would have to be someone of either spectacular stupidity or unfathomable arrogance, to marry into the family, refuse all help and advice re protocol, and expect that they can make the role their own. They can't.

If MM didn't like it, don't marry in. If MM and PH dont like it then they have choices. They can either get advice and choose to act on criticism to improve their press. Or they can leave. But they DON'T get to be petulant brats about it and fuck over the Queen and therefore the UK at the same time. They don't get to represent the Royal family if they can't be trusted to behave in a way which represents the Queen. They don't get to flog anything whilst still being HRH. And they don't get the perks of a free house. The fact that THEY announced what they would be doing to represent the Queen, when it is solely down to her, is the height of cheeky fuckery.

That's why it matters - and PH damn well knew all that being born into it and has followed his cock. Those who value decency and duty, i.e. those he was meant to represent - the Marines and the Queen - will not be represented by a couple who have shown the absolute opposite of that.

And it's all been paid for by our tax. So yes, if I want to feel annoyed at them, then I will.

I think it's been agreed that Edward will become Duke of Edinburgh after both Philip and the Queen have died.

Nobody on here is ' happy' with PA but what can anyone do?

She's allowed to have her son with her in her private time. I despise Andrew but I wouldn't begrudge the Queen a bit of company after her gs has put his two fingers up to the family.

The touting videos were awkward to watch but Harry has learned from his father. If Tom Bower's book is to be believed, PC raises prodigious funds from his pay per view dinners where guests are vigorously encouraged to get their cheque books out. The difference is it's not for personal gain but for the many charities he supports.

I think it very telling that out of all Harry & Meghan's new A List sleb friends not one of them offered up one of their many, many luxury homes for the Sussexs to stay in over Xmas? Instead they had to accept charidee from a shady cartel, with Russian connections instead.

It's in chat TheMustress. Can't link as I am on the app. Called "Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan?"

The headlines this morning remind me of this gem by @DarkOceanWater, from one of the earlier Meghathreads:

“The Queen's statement would indicate that both sides are aiming for a soft Megxit at this stage. There are a lot of issues to work through though and I don't think we can guarantee a deal will be reached in time. We also have to think about the Canadian backstop. A hard Megxit may still be on the cards. Only time will tell.”

The deal seems to me to be ideal for both parties. The Firm appear firm, yet gracious. Meghan +1 retain the word’s softest safety net, and leave with just the right kind of notoriety for the public she truly wishes to court.

However, as someone in the cheaper seats of Sussex, I would prefer they drop all association with my county. By way of protest, I’m namechanging from spellconnoisseur (I could never spell it anyway) for the duration.