Harry and Meghan resigning Act 5 *MNHQ edited title*

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I’m not the original OP of the series. That credit must go to @TheMustressMhor
I just stepped in when the last thread filled up with no replacement

There is still an appetite for discussion / gossip depending on your POV.
I asked for MN to put it in the Royal Family topic as the subject is no longer headline news; but still ticking along. I think those people who are interested will find it and add their comments regardless of its location.

what's the difference between an historical historian and an historian ?
Probably the same as the difference between a litigation lawyer and a lawyer.

Methinks there is a spy in the house of love.

I had a post deleted 2 threads ago and not one jot of it was racist.
I resent that posters may think now, that it was.

It was about Eton. How it could suit Archie. End of.

This is a very measured debate which is discussing the nightmare of the timing of all this (Brexit etc) and how Britain is being portrayed worldwide and how it could be the beginning of the downfall of the monarchy.

Whether we like the monarchy of not, I do not want MM to in anyway be part of the reason our country goes to hell in a handbasket.

I liked M, now I do not. This does not make me racist.
I liked Harry, now I do not, he seems extremely dim.

He’s the halfwit prince.

@BillieEilish
Nothing to add but I love your doors reference

I am ever more concerned at how acceptable it now is to just shut down conversation that you don't like the content of and the implications this has for wider society

As am I. This may not seem like the most important conversation at all but the general trend towards shutting down debate and towards people being afraid to admit to their political leanings or voting history or anything is very concerning.
Add to that the repeated assertion here that only the victim of racism can know the true motivation of the perpetrator and it looks like the thought police is coming true.

I was a solicitor for 15 years. I drafted commercial contracts. I never stepped foot in court. If there was a dispute then it was sent to the litigation department for the litigation solicitors to resolve. Litigation can be a discrete area (depending on your firm and area of expertise).

I really dislike the way they've behaved and they way they continue to behave. The lack of respect shown to the Queen was unforgivable in my book. However Harry clearly loves Meghan and although I'm tempted to be cynical she appears to love him too.

I tend to agree with this. I want to believe it. Nobody really wants them to divorce and for Archie to be split between two continents, do they?

If the will is there to make this work and stay strong as a team I think it's salvageable. I also think public opinion can be changed if they put the effort in.

The Harry and Meghan Sussex website is a step in the right direction, and if they can make this their brand instead of the sussexroyal one, it may even be possible for them to remain working royals. Everything will depend on what they're selling.

She's not my cup of tea, but I'm quite difficult to charm. I suspect those who have met her and sing her praises are more susceptible. Meeting someone in person doesn't make you a better judge of character. Sometimes standing back gives you a better view.

There was a poster on a previous thread who said something like "If someone believes the criticism to be racist then it is". They were challenged on this but I believe we are seeing it right here in action on this thread. Whoever is reporting to MN is describing why the threads are racist, misogynistic etc and even though that is not the case or intent it is being believed and acted upon. Irritating and a bit scary.

Exactly @Planeplane though you said it far more articulately than me.

WendyMoiraAngelaDarling

Thank you! Although I'm usually a terrible waffler so it shows how much the whole thing has been bothering me! Very worrying.

I am ever more concerned at how acceptable it now is to just shut down conversation that you don't like the content of and the implications this has for wider society.

Can I second and third this?

I don't dislike Meghan or Harry. I haven't checked whether any of my posts have been deleted. These are not private individuals and further we are not speculating (generally speaking) on private matters. The issue at hand concerns their relationship with the British state; most of the people posting on here are British taxpayers. That is the part of the question - really the only one - I am interested in here and I will be extremely disappointed if MNHQ shuts this part of the discussion down.

People are clearly trying to MM threads deleted.

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Agreed OVienna. Whether they like it or not, what H&M are trying to do is a matter of public interest, and the methods they have chosen don't seem to be gaining them much public support.

This is odd.

Various posters have said that these threads shouldn't be on the AIBU board and should be shipped over to the more appropriate - and out of the way - royal family board.

So the OP requested that.

Seems to me the traffic is heavier now than it was before.

I don't see the various topics set out individually; I just click on the "active threads" button.
But if I saw separate boards (as some people seem to) and had to choose a topic, it wouldn't be the royal family. Me being a republican and all.

Clicked on this thread (when it started in AIBU) as it's a newsworthy topic and for the gossip. Pleased to find it's been quite amusing at times due to some witty comments and has given birth to the pasta thread.

OVienna I don't know if any of your very interesting and intelligent posts have been deleted, but I'm pretty sure a few of your points have been lifted and plagiarised by a few journos.

Because they were excellent and completely objective points that I had not seen raised anywhere before you did.

Bloody hell.

Thread Six.

Who would have thought it?

And what on earth did you call the thread originally, before MNHQ edited the title? (Maybe someone can PM me.)

The Press is now very obviously anti-Meghan and they are not really trying very hard to rein themselves in.

I cannot see her ever returning to the UK and undertaking royal duties. Seriously - what organisation is going to want her to come and unveil a plaque after all this?

I have very much enjoyed these threads particularly when the discussion is informed and rational. To be honest though I've noticed a change in tone of late which has made me stand back a bit.

I hope MNHQ won't throw the baby out with the bath water. Perhaps if we respond less to goady posts the conversation will fare better?

I would prefer the Meghan fans to hold their love ins on their own thread instead of hikacking other people's discussions. Ditto those inclined towards a pile on.

joyful (that's a misnomer if ever I heard one) where are the people on here who have been calling Meghan what you said? Because I don't think that's true, they would automatically get deleted. I'll give you 'narc' though, but I think it's probably a fair comment.

Whether someone is a rampant republican or a royal superfan, there ARE issues of public interest in what they want to do. So it's fair enough to expect people to comment/discuss in depth.

"@joyfullittlehippo*

Oh and he never had a heart operation, he made it all up. He was papped buying McDonalds the very same day he claimed to have heart surgery and the hospital confirmed he’d never been a patient there (Mexico, so no HIIPA).
Thomas Markle has provided proof of his hospitalisation(s). His discharge papers show he was in Sharp Chula Vista Medical Center in California and was discharged on May 17.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6475385/Thomas-Markle-produces-medical-bills-prove-conclusively-not-one-TWO-heart-attacks.html

anti-royalist while Mumsnetting! the horror 😱. 😂.

I assumed there’s a healthy mix of anti- and royalists on these threads, probably mainly British taxpayers who have an interest in how their contribution is spent/frittered/abused. Especially pertinent given Brexit, and that these are two of the most privileged people in the country, who belong to one of the most privileged families in history and have high profile jobs representing the head of state. Why shouldn’t we discuss and have opinions?

Its not as though they don’t want the attention, there are plenty of ways to live privately while being royal. Someone will try and silence the discussion though.

There are plenty of long running discussions about people, the Trump threads have been going for years.

@joyfullittlehippo

I have read every single post on this series of threads. I actually started the first one and three of the subsequent ones.

Especially when there are a thousand other places online where Meghan bashers can call her an evil N-word monkey narc whore to their heart’s content?

Indeed, there are many places and forums online where unmoderated comments which are overtly racist are left to stand.

MN is not one of them. And these threads do not contain vitriolic or racist anti-Meghan remarks.

You're failing to comprehend that we who are interested in

a) current affairs

and

b) the RF

are simply discussing what has been happening within this family over that last week or so.

Nobody has posted here solely to "bash Meghan Markle". We are commenting on a royal crisis, that's all.

I am bemused by the occasional posters who appear, berate us all, then disappear as quickly as they came.