Harry and Meghan resigning Act 5 *MNHQ edited title*

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I’m not the original OP of the series. That credit must go to @TheMustressMhor
I just stepped in when the last thread filled up with no replacement

There is still an appetite for discussion / gossip depending on your POV.
I asked for MN to put it in the Royal Family topic as the subject is no longer headline news; but still ticking along. I think those people who are interested will find it and add their comments regardless of its location.

The thing I find most bizarre is that Harry must have known this sort of stuff can be diplomatically trick and take time to organise but still launched the grenade. He’s been around long enough to know how long A short tour takes to plan, all of the niceties, costs etc. Even if he’s not Einstein he must have known they couldn’t just get what they wanted so easily. I just can’t fathom how he could have done the announcement so spectacularly badly.

I think she’s making a massive fool of herself and is too blind to reality to see it. These appearances are making things worse! And what can the places say other than it was nice to see her. Can hardly say anything else.

@SingingLily

Canadian here! Canadians love the Queen. Great to wave a flag, sing God Save the Queen, be part of the Commonwealth and part of something bigger than the US. The US is a large, frankly scary and overbearing country and the Commonwealth provides a 'home' that counterbalances the sense that Canada is dominated by the States.

But...but...that doesn't mean Canadians want the whole RF deal. The distance works well.

Also M&H are using Canada as a bolt hold only. That's rather insulting esp as their ultimate destination is the States. Basically they are saying to Canada - you are second best to the US. Not a way to makes friends.

Ultimately I think the RF will pay for security. Diana ditched the Royal security. As deeply unpopular a view as it is, she died because the driver was over the legal limit for alcohol, was driving at twice the speed limit, and she didn't have a seat belt on. It's hard to imagine Royal Security driving at speed without seatbelts. Which is why all the 'press killed Diana' stuff irritates me. I don't like the intrusive, abusive side of the press anymore than anyone else does but why does everyone ignore the facts around the crash and act like it's not relevant?. I understand as teenagers, and young adults blaming everyone else for their mothers death but by the time you're in your 30's there ought to be the ability to see the consequences of reckless behaviour. And yes, not putting on a seat belt is reckless.

I'm sure the RF are terrified of something similar happening to Harry and Meighan so they will stump up for security personnel they can trust to be careful and professional at all times.

He’s been around long enough to know how long A short tour takes to plan, all of the niceties, costs etc.

Do you think they tell him the costs? I wonder whether actually they know very little about that. It certainly seems as if the actual costs of security, in particular, have come as a massive shock to them. They didn't expect that to be a stumbling block.
Don't the major celebrities in LA / Hollywood live in gated communities? Which takes care of privacy but also security, or at least makes it easier. Not sure how achievable something like that is in Canada.

I think she would have totally shouted down any concerns Harry might have had over the way they have handled this.

And he is currently weak enough to have allowed it.

I do hope that he is getting support from somewhere, whilst he is in the UK alone.

Re security, I remember seeing a programme on the wonderfully bonkers Cher and how she hated the intrusions by the press into her LA neighbourhood, and that was when it was just one pap. She and her A list neighbours were indeed surrounded by gates and cameras more than actual personnel. I think they just called the cops if they were spooked.

They wouldn't welcome MM into the neighbourhood - she'd bring too much trouble to their gates.

The appearances by Meghan have confused me.

I thought the idea was that they were stepping back from roles as senior Royals because of intrusion, so it seems rather odd to continue (quasi?) public appearances. Canada seemed happy enough for them to live there as minor Royals (presumably no engagements, or very few - no one would object to Harry laying the odd wreath on Remembrance occasions) but not behaving like Royals in situ (RF are welcome guests, not a permanent feature). So building a new (working) life from there is one thing, and I hope it works out for them. But continuing public appearances of this type don't seem to fit

I can’t believe she’s pitching up to yet more photo opportunities in Canada.

Nobody asked her, she’s not representing HMQ or the RF and she’s made it clear that she doesn’t want to do that sort of thing here. It’s pouring petrol onto the fire when she should be lying low or in the UK, participating in the discussions.

I think it shows she has a massively inflated ego, poor PR advice and, probably, Too Much Time on her hands. Which, given that Archie is 8 months old, is a bit odd.

I’ve said it before but I think there’s NFW it was decided she didn’t need to dial in, I suspect she was deliberately left out by the RF as she needed to turn up in person if she wanted to be part of the discussions, which is reasonable on their part.

I think she’s hugely underestimated the affection the Brits have for Harry and overestimated the interest they currently have in her pet projects, eg a women’s refuge in Canada.

We aren’t glamorous enough. So many multi cultural places in the UK, so much poverty - girls being unable to buy sanitary products, she could have done loads here. But no. Not exciting enough.

This, in a nutshell.

Sweats comments are not very nice, she’s probably still breastfeeding, too hot inside, plus I think they just came from the hubb where they were cooking.

Will MM still continue supporting and visiting UK charities?.
These pictures reminded me of the Marrakesh trip, So Bizarre and random.

I’ve always thought Thomas Markle behaved really badly before the wedding but I am beginning to see a different side to it. Reading his texts to her, he sounds very loving and a bit pathetic. I don’t think he meant to hurt her or cause her embarrassment. It was just incredibly badly handled. Here was an elderly man in poor health, used to living as a recluse. He hadn’t met his future son in law and the prospect of a huge wedding being watched by millions must have been terrifying. If she had had any empathy at all she would have prepared him slowly and kindly. Introduced Harry and allowed time for her father to acclimatise.Brought him over well in advance.
He clearly did have heart surgery .
I actually feel very sorry for him now. She had sent a suit and shoes over for him. He must have felt inadequate and fearful.
If this court case goes ahead with him testifying it will be absolutely cringeworthy. It may also completely turn people against her.

I agree that Canada is not going to want the UK’s Royal rejects over there patronising them and costing them money. It will be interesting to see what happens.

This whole thing is an utter fiasco. I think the announcement was made in a rush because she had decided she was off and that was it. Harry had to do something fast or look like she’d just abandoned him. Especially in light of the article in the Sun. I think the RF are well aware that M has H over a barrel and he is stuck between the Devil and the deep blue sea. I think they’re being very very careful not to blow up the metaphorical grenade. It’s an incredibly delicate situation and their advisors must be working 24/7 and extremely stressed.

I wonder if they will drop the court case on 'mental health' grounds. As they are leaving the UK press won't be such an issue going forward.

Can't image they will let it go ahead, it would be disastrous.

I’ve said it before but I think there’s NFW it was decided she didn’t need to dial in, I suspect she was deliberately left out by the RF as she needed to turn up in person if she wanted to be part of the discussions, which is reasonable on their part.

I should think they wanted to see Harry on his own, in the hope of hearing what he really wants, without her listening in.

Do other ‘slebs’’ do visits like this?

Meghans modus operandi seems to be to rush in where fools fear to tread without proper thought or preparation. She doesn’t take advice and seems to have little common sense. The way she’s behaving at the moment is another illustration of that. What Meghan wants, she gets. Even if she’s shooting herself in the foot.

I fear for Harry. At the very least, if the marriage is strong and healthy he may not find it as easy as he thinks living a different kind of life. Visiting a new country is one thing: moving there, whilst having become estranged from your entire family, whom you were very close to, is another.

But if the marriage breaks down he will either have to stay in Canada/US to be close to his child (who at some point will be governed by school terms), or move back to the UK without his child.

And as for finding love again, I think most women would be put off by what has happened, and most in his circle will be settled at this age.

Agreed @sunsetboulevard3

To be honest, I think the only solution to this is to take them both back on a part-time basis, and find some way of them working part time for money, without using the titles, and in strictly vetted areas.

The "rogue tour" appears to be Meghan trying to upstage the Cambridges at every opportunity. At least if she is back in the firm, they can try and control her.

Or the other alternative is to strip them both of their titles and money. However they are both so out of touch with reality that anything is possible, in terms of crazy behaviour.
(You would definitely not want to trigger a Narcissistic rage)

All the fuss about the dialling in. I doubt that many people ever believed it was an option!

She seems determined to keep up the narrative that she's in charge.

I don't think Meghan would consider a part-time Royal job - she thinks she can earn billions if left to her own devices - Royal tag intact of course.

I think - hope - she's in for a rude awakening. The sad thing is though that Harry will be the one to suffer.

Hope the press have focussed on the Cambridges this morning, with just a little inner page clip of the Meghan visit to the needy!

I definitely think she’s trying to keep the focus on herself and off the Cambridge’s and maybe even Harry. He’s doing an engagement today. She should not be taking the spotlight off him.
Archie seems to spend a lot of time with the nanny. I feel sorry for him actually.

She doesn't need the title. I suspect more people now know who Meghan Markle is than HRH the Duchess of Sussex. And Harry will always be Prince Harry.

She has achieved her aim - world fame. She can now monetise to her heart's content.

Well if Canada don't want titled royals living there then H&M have a choice to make:

1. Give up their royal titles and live there;
2. Backtrack about Trump and move to LA;
3. Stay in UK (Nooooooo);
4. Live elsewhere.

Do you think she will be reading the Canadian press and know they aren't welcome if they keep their titles?

Does she even care that Canadians feel insulted that H&M see it as a stepping stone to returning to LA?

I think, on balance and with great reluctance, they will give up their titles. I think she'll see there is now too much dislike of her in the UK to ever be People's Princess II. She'll stick it out with Harry for a short time before divorcing.

Wheresthebeach
Also M&H are using Canada as a bolt hold only. That's rather insulting esp as their ultimate destination is the States. Basically they are saying to Canada - you are second best to the US. Not a way to makes friends.

They seem good at insulting countries they live in. Tbh I just couldn’t imagine PH being happy in LA .. but maybe that’s just me.

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Re Frogmore, they make a big deal on their website about how they chose to spend 2.6 mil renovating Frogmore rather than the 4 mil needed for Kensington, they don’t appear to get that it’s not necessarily what was spent but the fact it was spent and is seldom, if ever, going to be used. Spend and bugger off.

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I’m sorry to go back to it but I just can’t stop thinking about Archie, would it have really been that hard for them to suck it up over Christmas and allow the rest of the royal family to spend time with him before he was whisked away? Even if they didn’t want to share their future plans, they could have just done it.

I don't think Meghan would consider a part-time Royal job - she thinks she can earn billions if left to her own devices - Royal tag intact of course

This is the bit, I have a real issue with! The Royal tag is the bit that needs removing from them, celebrity v Royalty two completely different worlds.