Harry and Meghan resigning Act 5 *MNHQ edited title*

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I’m not the original OP of the series. That credit must go to @TheMustressMhor
I just stepped in when the last thread filled up with no replacement

There is still an appetite for discussion / gossip depending on your POV.
I asked for MN to put it in the Royal Family topic as the subject is no longer headline news; but still ticking along. I think those people who are interested will find it and add their comments regardless of its location.

I bet most of their things ( and the babies) have been secretly flown over weeks ago!
His shower presents are ' ok' I bet.

A Grifter is a swindler.

www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/grifter

If H & M want to end up in LA, they need to know that fame is a fleeting thing, especially in LA (where I grew up). Right now they're 'today's news'. But I think they're going to end up like the D & D of Windsor back in the day. They had high expectations of what their lives would be like outside the RF, but they ended up a rather sad couple on the 'fringes' of Society. M & H may retain some 'value' as far as pushing products or campaigns to the general public, but when it comes to actually being a 'real' part of socializing and invitations, not so much. 'Top Drawer' LA Society is extremely hard to crack.

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I reckon the royals have duplicates of all their favourite things anyway.

No need to fly a suitcase or two full of jumpers to Canada.

Is it me or does the celebrity support seems rather thin in the ground on this occasion? Previously there's been loads of celebrities rushing to Twitter sphere expressing their solidarity (and raising their own profile as well as benefiting from the extra hits by Meghan stans). However the usuals are strangely silent. Or have I missed it?.

Yep, I suppose I'm thinking of my meagre wardrobe!! They have oodles of clothes and duplicates of things of course! They will need lots of warm things judging by the pic today with the snow. I must admit, I did like her parka jacket though! I do love a proper winter coat.

I think AcrossThePond is right.

The Duke and Duchess of Windsor spent their entire lives chasing celebrity and mourning the days when he was the King (and therefore had people fawning over him).

Harry and Meghan without their royal duties and titles will soon become just another middle-aged, rather dull ex-showbiz couple, who have little to recommend them.

Meghan has badly miscalculated this "coup".

She will definitely have another baby. That is always guaranteed to garner loads of publicity.

Agree @CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook becoming Harry's wife and entering royalty is what made her hugely famous. If she's not royal anymore then what is her worth to them? Not nasty, serious question.

A few random and unrelated comments:

• all this talk about visas and immigration is bollocks. It’ll all get sorted out behind closed doors in whatever way suits whoever calls the shots for the RF. Normal rules don’t apply to these people (in fact normal rules don’t apply to many people; your average rich Russian can “buy” residency in the UK, and if that happens here it’ll sure as hell happen in Canada. If you ever hear about visa issues, you know things are very serious)

• same goes for tax paying. HMRC strikes bespoke deals all the time with rich people and people who are of benefit to the UK other than as tax payers. This will be a no brainer. HMRC will get told what to do and as a commonwealth country so will Canada. The US, as an ally, will accommodate two people for the sake of diplomacy.

• same goes for security costs. There’s zero transparency about how the RF is truly funded, no matter the information in the public domain. It just doesn’t work like that. The RF are actually not that cash rich by today’s standards (they’re less cash rich than the Kardashians, for eg) but they have power and influence. If it suits the Home Office, H&M’s security bill worldwide will be paid for out of the UK public purse and some Entirely legal accounting trickery will make it happen. It’s actually very interesting work by accounting standards

• that visit to the woman’s refuge yesterday was downright appalling. MM used them, and it was plain to see. So, so cheap and awful. If she doesn’t shape up, she’ll become toxic to organisations who don’t want to be seen as desperate for publicity by having her over

• someone linked in another thread to a YouTube clip of MM interrupting Harry at BP when he was talking to visitors in a line up. She was wearing a white pillbox hat, white coat, black and white dress, quite pregnant, does anyone know the one? She came up to him from behind, quietly tapped him on the back and took him somewhere else. He was mid-flow and had to drop the conversation he was having with guests. I know it’s a tiny thing, but that little episode said it all to me. She cared not a jot about the people Harry was talking to. She didn’t mind curtailing their conversation. She didn’t even look at them or acknowledge them. She was working the room (not necessarily in a bad way) and they weren’t important to her. She wanted him elsewhere. Even if Harry‘s presence with the person/thing she was taking him to was mega beneficial to that person/thing, her total lack of regard for the ordinary folk Harry was talking to was so insulting. Just wait two seconds. Let him finish. Let those ordinary folk get their ten seconds with a Prince. That’s all the RF are: a bit of magic dust to sprinkle over ordinary people’s lives to brighten their days. She was so consumed with what she wanted - however altruistic it may have been - she didn’t think beyond what she wanted. My small children know not to interrupt. They know it’s rude to command immediate attention unless it’s an emergency. And that’s not how the RF operates. Every person gets their due time, and officials are there to ensure that happens. Of course in private they’re shockingly degenerate, but “on duty” that’s how it works. That’s how Brits like it.

And I think this me me me, what I think, what we need, what we can do, the help we can bring, our lives, our family - that’s what’s behind all this. They’re surrounded by people who tell them how amazing and important and powerful they are, they believe it, act on it, all under the guise of do-gooding. But they’ve nothing to bring to the show, no knowledge or wisdom or experience. They’re just a pretty face and a royal title. People of true substance won’t want to associate with them because it’s just embarrassing to go with celebrity (unless it’s to use the association to their own benefit).

They will end up feeling little, not as powerful as they think they are. They’ll be belittled by the filthy rich, the experts, the career philanthropists, the academics and ex-Presidents, the lawyers and UN advisors and world class tennis champions. They have nothing of substance to offer, and it’ll only be a matter of time before that shows. Harry will become like Albert of Monaco, Meghan like Caroline. Irrelevant, tabloid fodder.

Very sad.

I agree AcrossthePond55, I don't have your experience of LA Society but from the outside it looks very dog eat dog and you can be flavour of the month one hour and persona non grata the next. I suspect the grass won't prove to be greener.

Having another baby will force the media to soften up on her as well.

Oh fuck when I went I went to work it was on page 2 😭😭

Look at Jeremy Thorpe.

Despite being gay, he calculated that if he married, he would become more popular.

So he married. And then they had a baby.

When his wife died, he waited a while, then married again, this time the ex of the Earl of Harewood (so related to the Queen).

He did all this with great calculation and to garner positive publicity for his career as a politician.

Meghan is the same. She will have another baby.

Ok if people aren't up for a raffle maybe they should list Frogmore Cottage on Air B&B.

I bet it would be a big hit for Hen/Stag parties

H&M wanted to withdraw from the Royal rota - the media arrangement that shares out press coverage fairly with a requirement for the attending journalist and photographer to share with other news outlets

I don't think M&H want their "leaked private visit photos" made available to the tabloids, gossip mags and other gutter press to crop enlarge or otherwise annotate with what they regard as "offensive" comments (sweat stain being a case in point). They want gushing front page announcements on the front page of the Times, where Queenie can see how charitable and selfless they are.

Unfortunately I don't think they realise that withdrawing from the Royal rota lays them open to all sort of "exposure". And being abroad doubles the danger. Think topless photos of Kate taken in France, and Harry's willy in Las Vegas (nice bod BTW).

I have said this before on different threads - but the British RF needs to take a leaf out of the book of the Swedish RF. In Sweden if you want to become a working, titled Royal - then you have to go through Prince/Princess "school" first. It lasts about 6 to 18 months depending on what role you will take on and includes studies, training and mentoring from the palace in Royal household admin, etiquette, diplomacy, history, government and constitutional politics, languages and media training.

The Swedish RF have managed to incorporate people from very non-Royal backgrounds because they know what they are getting into and the waiting time that the "school" imposes means that people don't rush into royal work. So Prince Daniel (former personal trainer and gym owner) did 18 months and Princess Sofia (former model and Temptation Island contestant) did 6 months.

Even Crown Princess Victoria as a "birth Royal" had her own training programme that went on for years and included University studies in government, international relations and languages but also undergoing the diplomat training, interning at Embassies, as well as less glamorous internships in trade, forestry and agriculture. Princess Estelle, age 7, has already started her training.

Princess Madeleine's husband - Chris O'Neill - chose not to be a working Royal. By all accounts he hated the press intrusion and chose to step away. They live a quiet life in a gated community in Florida. Princess Madeleine still does a little charity work on the US charity gala circuit - mostly for her mother's foundation. He works in finance but is not allowed to trade on her Royal status.

Sweden has also slimmed down recently so only CP Victoria's children will be future working Royals.

I think that the current situation could have been avoided if Meghan had had a formal induction programme. I don't think she really understood the difference between what US A+ list celebrities can do and what is expected as a publicly funded royal

Oh I'm up for a Raffle!!

Never won anything in my life (despite desperate attempts at school tombola) maybe this will be MY time...

7salmonswimming pretty valid points. I fear she will lose respect for Harry when he's 'just Harry' (and not in a Harry Potter sort of way!).

Thanks, Lunde, that's really interesting to someone who's not a fan of the British Royal Family. (And probably to those who are fans, also!)

^includes studies, training and mentoring from the palace in Royal household admin, etiquette, diplomacy, history, government and constitutional politics, languages and media training.*

I want to do this course!

She CAN'T be pregnant. Her coats are fully buttoned up and she hasn't cradled her belly once.

If she is, she'll be saving the news until the morning of Beatrice's wedding. Obviously.

I don't think she really understood the difference between what US A+ list celebrities can do and what is expected as a publicly funded royal

No indeed.

And she hasn't understood how the RF can be utterly ruthless, and cut people out if they do not conform.

A new post has been updated on their Instagram.

7Salmon The clip was from Westminster Abbey and MM was wearing VBeckham iirc. I commented on thread 4 on how rude she was then. He knew how much time he had to speak to those who had performed at the service (think it was the Commonwealth one) and it would have mattered to them that he did so. If you see the full footage, she goes down that line very quickly, not really engaging, whereas he does.

Agree with Lunde Perhaps we do need royal 'school'..for all those moaning about Kate not working, perhaps this is what she was doing.

Ahem, no one has asked GoFiguire if she's OK.

Just pointing that out.